Stewarts of Balquhidder

[Ryk]

Colin
Welcome to the board. Glad to have you with us. I will try to offer some thoughts on your family shortly.
Meanwhile, I am moving this thread to the "Help My Find My Stewarts" forum.
Ryk
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Ryk Brown
Descendant of the Stewarts of Dalveich (Ardvorlich)
Sliochd Iain Dubh Mhor

[kiwicol]

Just noticed i said John Stewart from Dalserf was Nephew he was cousin, still no clearer on how he is related.
John born abt 1780 at Callender was a forester at Murdoston House, Shotts, 1841 and 1851 census. The latter one says he was born at Callander Stirling? When Janet was born at Mull christened 1814 at Kilninian And Kilmore, Argyll, Scotland, father was a ploughman?
Walter born Callendar about 1781/1785 was at Kirkton Farm, Neilston Renfrew, 1841 and 1851 census, his entry 1851 says born Callendar Perth.
1841 census

The index to 1851 list the following John Stewarts born in Callendar.
John Stewart abt 1774 Callander, Perthshire Head Callander Perthshire
John Stewart abt 1778 Callander, Perthshire Head Campsie Stirlingshire
John Stewart abt 1780 Callander, Perthshire Head Callander Perthshire
John Stewart abt 1781 Callander, Stirling Head Shotts Lanarkshire
John Stewart wife Margaret abt 1784 Callander, Perthshire Head Callander Perthshire Address: Milton Occupation: Farmer Of 100 Ac Employing 3 Labourers (Son John and daughter Margaret)
John Stewart abt 1786 Callander, Perthshire Head Callander Perthshire Address: Cuilintogle Occupation: Farmer Of 200 Ac Employing 3 Labourers (sister Catherine aged 57, brother Peter 49)
John Stewart wife Elisabeth abt 1788 Callander, Perthshire Head Callander Perthshire Address: 31 West Mains Occupation: Farmer Of 25 Cures Employers 3 Men
John Stewart abt 1791 Caller, Perthshire Head Callander Perthshire

So guess I am going to need the death certificates for Shotts John and his brother Walter in Kirkton.

[Ryk]

Colin

Thanks for the additional information. If your Stewarts came from Callander then I'd say there's an 80% chance they do belong to our clan. So I'm quite keen to try to help you here, but I'm afraid I'm getting lost in who's who, where and when.

Who is Robert's original family? What are the names and birth dates/places of all his kids?

Who was Robert's second wife? When were they married? Did they have any children other than John? When/Where was son John born?

Which "he" states that which "they" were children of John the Forester? I'm not clear who the pronouns refer to.

Was John Stewart the Forester a brother, father, uncle or cousin to Robert Stewart 1809?

I'm confused.

What would be most helpful is if you could either post here or send me a formatted report on this family starting at the top and including all the details you have and showing how you believe everyone to be related, and when/where you believe they were born/married/died. Then we can see if we can figure out if/how they connect to our Stewarts.

I look forward to trying to help you further.

Thanks
Ryk
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Ryk Brown
Descendant of the Stewarts of Dalveich (Ardvorlich)
Sliochd Iain Dubh Mhor

[Ryk]

Colin
I've partially answered one of my own questions by spending some time on the IGI. I presume this is your family:

[kiwicol]

John STEWART - 14017. Son of STEWART - 14972 & - 14973. Born About 1781 in Callander, Perth, Scotland.

1841 Scotland Census
Name: John Stewart
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1786
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Shotts
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Murdoston House
Occupation: Forrester
Parish Number: 655
Household Members: Name Age
Janet Stewart 25
John Stewart 55

1841 Scotland Census
Name: Janet Stewart
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Shotts
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Murdoston House
Parish Number: 655

1851 Scotland Census
Name: John Stewart
Age: 70
Estimated birth year: abt 1781
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Callander, Stirling
Parish Number: 655
Civil parish: Shotts
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Murdoston North Lodge
Occupation: Forrester
ED: 6
Page: 19
Household schedule number: 72
Line: 19
Roll: CSSCT1851_172
Household Members: Name Age
Janet Stewart 36
John Stewart 70

1851 Scotland Census
Name: Janet Stewart
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Relationship: Daughter
Father's name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Alva, Argylee
Parish Number: 655
Civil parish: Shotts
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Murdoston North Lodge
Occupation: House Keeper


The age for Janet and the occupation for John gel with what cousin John Stewart listed on certificates.


3 Stewart John 11/08/1860 forrester at Murdieston, residing at Holytown, brother to Walter Stewart Will and Testament Glasgow Sheriff Court Wills SC36/51/41 VIEW (£5.00)
(3 pages)
4 Stewart John 11/08/1860 forester at Murdieston latterly residing at Holytown, father of John Stewart of Holytown, brother of late Walter Stewart of Kirkton near Neilston and George Stewart Inventory Glasgow Sheriff Court Inventories SC36/48/46 VIEW (£5.00)
(1 pages)

This will reference leads us to a John Stewart with brothers Walter and George.
The 1851 census says he was born in Callender Perth,
He married Janet STEWART - 14018.
They had the following children:

5 i. Janet STEWART - 13967
6 ii. Mary STEWART - 14019
7 iii. John STEWART - 14020

3. Walter STEWART - 14974. Son of STEWART - 14972 & - 14973.
1841 Scotland Census
Name: Walter Stewart
Age: 56
Estimated birth year: abt 1785
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Neilston
County: Renfrewshire
Address: Kirkton House
Occupation: Farmer
Parish Number: 572
Household Members: Name Age
Walter Stewart 56

1851 Scotland Census
Name: Watter Stewart
Age: 70
Estimated birth year: abt 1781
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Callander, Perth
Parish Number: 572
Civil parish: Neilston
County: Renfrewshire
Address: Kirkton
Occupation: Farmer Of 64 Acres Employing 2 Lab
ED: 8
Page: 61
Household schedule number: 196
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1851_122
Household Members: Name Age
Watter Stewart 70

4. George STEWART - 14975. Son of STEWART - 14972 & - 14973.
Mentioned on index to wills as brother to John

Janet STEWART christened 22 May 1814 Kilninian And Kilmore, Argyll, Scotland
Daughter of John Stewart a ploughman and Janet Stewart, census have her as being born at Mull in Argyle.
Cousin John, son of Robert Stewart, is the informant, he had lived with Janet and Robert in the 1870's and 1880's.

Stewart Janet 10/01/1889 retired Boot and Shoemaker, Holytown, d. 27/12/1888 at Holytown, testate Hamilton Sheriff Court SC37/42/1 VIEW (£5.00)
(3 pages)

[Ryk]

Colin

Thanks for your posting above and also for the additional report you sent by email. Your report was very thorough. That's most helpful.

In reviewing your data I am afraid that I no longer see any connection at all between your family and Callander parish. I do not see any indication of any Janet Stewart having a father named John who was born in Callander. In fact Callander itself is not even mentioned in your report. It is entirely possible that I have mis-read your file. So, if there is a Callander connection there, then I would be grateful if you might spell it out for me a little more clearly because I seem to be missing it.

So, at this present time, based in the information that you have provided, I do not see any connection between your Dalserf Stewarts and our Balquhidder clan. If at some time in the future you identify a connection, please feel free to post a new inquiry with us.

I note in your email report that you are not certain that your Dalserf and Dunkeld Stewarts are the same. You say that you are merely speculating at the moment. Having looked at your data I think your logic makes sense here; it does appear that they are the same family. The chronology of the children fit well together without any conflicts, and I find only one marriage record for such a couple in the IGI. I agree that's far from proof, but if it's helpful to have a second opinion who agrees with your train of thought, then I offer that.

If your Stewarts are attached to those from Dunkeld, then I find the following entry in Stewarts of the South which may apply to your clan. However, as these Stewarts are no relation to ours, and are beyond the scope of our research, then I'm afraid I can be of no further assistance to you in answering questions about the Dunkeld Stewarts or how to interpret the following entry -- except to say that it would appear that the Dunkeld Stewarts were of the same clan as Capt. James Stewart, author of Stewarts of the South. That may prove to be a helpful lead for you. We'll have to leave that to you for your own research.

In order to understand Stewarts of the South, you should read our introduction here:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rykbrown/stewarts_of_south.htm

From Stewarts of the South - Section IV.5.10:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rykbrown/stewarts_of_the_south_section_four.htm

[kiwicol]

Hi Ryk. Hope this is clearer?

John Stewart born in Dalserf, (1856) was living (1871 Census) with Janet Stewart,(1816) at Holytown, she was born at Mull. John is listed as her cousin and was an apprenticed shoemaker.
(1881 census) John Stewart (1856) was living with John Stewart (1818) born Shotts, master shoemaker, and his sister Janet Stewart (1815) born Mull. John was a shoemaker, and again is cousin.

1889 1st October marriage at Legbrannock, Holytown, John Stewart widower, shoe maker,. son of Robert Stewart, silk weaver and Hannah Caufield. Thomas Brownlie and Christina Jenkins were witnesses.
Margaret McL O Jenkins spinster dressmaker daughter of William Jenkins, pitheadman and Christina Jenkins m/s Anderson, deceased.

John Stewart master shoemaker single died 1pm 5th September 1892 at Holytown, Lanarkshire informant was his cousin John Stewart. The deceased John was son of John Stewart a forrester and Janet Stewart m/s Stewart.

1841 Scotland Census Name: John Steinert
Age: 22 Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Gender: Male Where born: Lanarkshire, Scotland
Civil parish: Airdrie County: Lanarkshire Address: Hallcraig Street
Occupation: Shoemaker
Household Members: Name Age
John Steinert 22
Margart Thameson 1
Agnes Thomeson 24
Robert Thomeson 27

1851 Scotland Census Name: John Stewart Age: 32 Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Relationship: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Shotts, Lanark
Parish Number: 625 Civil parish: Bothwell Town: Holytown County: Lanarkshire
Address: Holytown Occupation: Shoemaker
Household Members: Name Age
Margt Forrest 70
James Liddell 9
John Stewart 32

1861 Scotland Census Name: John Stewart Age: 42 Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Shotts, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 625/2 Registration district: Holytown
Civil parish: Bothwell County: Lanarkshire
Address: Edinr & Glasgow Road Occupation: Shoemaker Master Employin 6 Men
Household Members: Name Age
John Stewart 42

1841 Scotland Census Name: John Stewart Age: 55 Estimated birth year: abt 1786
Gender: Male Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Shotts County: Lanarkshire
Address: Murdoston House
Occupation: Forrester
Household Members: Name Age
Janet Stewart 25
John Stewart 55

1841 Scotland Census Name: Janet Stewart Age: 25 Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Gender: Female Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Shotts County: Lanarkshire
Address: Murdoston House

1851 Scotland Census Name: John Stewart Age: 70 Estimated birth year: abt 1781
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male Where born: Callander, Stirling
Parish Number: 655 Civil parish: Shotts County: Lanarkshire
Address: Murdoston North Lodge Occupation: Forrester
Household Members: Name Age
Janet Stewart 36
John Stewart 70
1851 Scotland Census Name: Janet Stewart Age: 36 Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Relationship: Daughter
Father's name: John
Gender: Female Where born: Alva, Argylee
Parish Number: 655 Civil parish: Shotts County: Lanarkshire
Address: Murdoston North Lodge Occupation: House Keeper

Janet Stewart retired shoe and boot merchant, died 4:30 PM, 27 Dec 1888, at Holytown, here her father John Stewart is listed as a ploughman, her mother Janet Stewart m/s Stewart. John Stewart, cousin was present and informant.

John Stewart and Janet Stewarts, Ardnacallich, had a daughter Janet baptised 22 May 1814. List of baptisms from May 14 by the Missionary of Ulva

Stewart John 11/08/1860 forrester at Murdieston, residing at Holytown, brother to Walter Stewart Will and Testament Glasgow Sheriff Court Wills SC36/51/41 VIEW (£5.00)
(3 pages)
Stewart John 11/08/1860 forester at Murdieston latterly residing at Holytown, father of John Stewart of Holytown, brother of late Walter Stewart of Kirkton near Neilston and George Stewart Inventory Glasgow Sheriff Court Inventories SC36/48/46 VIEW (£5.00)
(1 pages)

This will reference leads us to a John Stewart with brothers Walter and George.
The 1851 census says he was born in Callender Perth.
Watter (Walter) Stewart of Kirkton House, Neilston, left a 17 page will, He was according to 1851 census born at Callander.

Holytown 1860 deaths (just found this extraction today)
STEWART, John, forester, married, d. 9 Mar, Bothwell, Holytown, age 79,
s/o John STEWART, farmer, deceased, & Janet BUCHANAN, deceased, son John present, buried Shotts. ®436

From the above it looks like I have the correct connection to the Callander branch, but there is nothing that helps identify, how Robert Stewart from Dalserf's son John is "Cousin" to John of Callanders children.

[Ryk]

[kiwicol]

Husband: John STEWART
Birth: 14 Dec 1780 Place: Callander, Perth, Scotland
Christen: 14 Dec 1780 Place: Callander, Perth, Scotland
Death: 1860 Place: Holytown
Father: John STEWART - (1751-)
Mother: Janet BUCHANAN
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Wife: Janet STEWART

Children...
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1. F Child: Janet STEWART - 13967
Birth: About 1814 Place: Mull, Argyleshire
Christen: 22 May 1814 Place: Kilninian And Kilmore, Argyll, Scotland
Death: 27 Dec 1888 Place: Holytown, Lanarkshire.
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2. F Child: Mary STEWART - 14019
Birth: About 1816
Christen: 14 Sep 1816 Place: Kilninian And Kilmore, Argyll, Scotland
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3. M Child: John STEWART - 14020
Birth: 1819 Place: Shotts, Lanarkshire

Husband’s Notes...
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Notes:
1841 Scotland Census
Name: John Stewart Age: 55 Estimated birth year: abt 1786
Gender: Male Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Shotts County: Lanarkshire Address: Murdoston House
Occupation: Forrester
Household Members: Name Age
Janet Stewart 25
John Stewart 55
1841 Scotland Census
Name: Janet Stewart Age: 25 Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Gender: Female Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Shotts County: Lanarkshire Address: Murdoston House

1851 Scotland Census
Name: John Stewart Age: 70 Estimated birth year: abt 1781
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male Where born: Callander, Stirling
Civil parish: Shotts County: Lanarkshire
Address: Murdoston North Lodge
Occupation: Forrester
ED: 6 Page: 19 Household schedule number: 72 Line: 19
Roll: CSSCT1851_172
Household Members: Name Age
Janet Stewart 36
John Stewart 70

1851 Scotland Census
Name: Janet Stewart Age: 36 Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Relationship: Daughter Father's name: John
Gender: Female Where born: Alva, Argyle
Civil parish: Shotts County: Lanarkshire
Address: Murdoston North Lodge
Occupation: House Keeper

Stewart John 11/08/1860 forrester at Murdieston, residing at Holytown, brother to Walter Stewart, Will and Testament Glasgow Sheriff Court Wills SC36/51/41 (3 pages)
Stewart John 11/08/1860 forester at Murdieston latterly residing at Holytown, father of John Stewart of Holytown, brother of late Walter Stewart of Kirkton near Neilston and George Stewart Inventory Glasgow Sheriff Court Inventories SC36/48/46 (1 pages)

This will reference leads us to a John Stewart with brothers Walter and George.The 1851 census says he was born in Callander.

Holytown 1860 deaths STEWART, John, forester, married, d. 9 Mar, Bothwell, Holytown, age 79, s/o John STEWART, farmer, deceased, & Janet BUCHANAN, deceased, son John present, buried Shotts.
From: Kathleen T. Choi" Subject: 1860 Deaths
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 22:05:52 -0800 LDS film # 0292832

1861 census has at Edinr & Glasgow Road, Holytown, Bothwell. Janet Stewart, born, Mull Argyll. (She is on page 4)
1861 census has at Edinr & Glasgow Road, Holytown, Bothwell. John Stewart, born, Shotts Lanark. (He is on page 2)

1871 Census Index Holytown, Bothwell, Janet Stewart born Mull, Argyleshire, with her is her cousin John Stewart born 1857, Larkhall, Lanarkshire, a Shoemaker (apprentice).
1871 Census Index Holytown, Bothwell, John Stewart born Shotts, Lanarkshire a Shoemaker Employing 4 Men & 2 Boys [This time he is on the next page to Janet]

1881 Census Holytown, Bothwell,
John Stewart 63, head, Shotts, Lanarkshire (1818) shoemaker.
Janet Stewart 66, Sister, Mull, Argyleshire (1815) Domestic Servt
John Stewart 24, cousin, Dalserf, Lanarkshire (1857) shoemaker.

Other details from the deaths of John and Janet Stewart, children of John Stewart and Janet Stewart, supplied by their cousin John Stewart, are listed in previous message above.

From what I have found it would seem that John Stewart, forrester at Murdoston House, was born at Callander, he has a brother Walter of Kirkton. (the 1841 and 1851 census for Kirkton Farm, Neilston, have Walter listed there as a farmer. The 1851 census states he was born at Callander, Perthshire) A brother George (not traced as yet).
The 1860 death for John Stewert, and the will references, connect him to above Janet Stewart (Mull) and John Stewart (Shotts) and name his parents as John Stewart and Janet Buchanan, informant being his son.

IF correct this would indicate that 5 sons of John Stewart and Janet Buchanan were alive at time that report was done listing just Alexander and Robert being alive?

None of which brings me any closer to understanding the cousin from Dalserf.

The IGI for Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland Has the marriage of Andrew Stewart to Katrin Murdoch 19 march 1750
They have christened there
JOHN STEWART - Male Christening: 28 MAR 1751 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland
JAMES STEWART - Male Christening: 24 JAN 1753 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland
MARGARET STEWART - Female Christening: 27 APR 1757 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland
ALEXR. STEWART - Male Christening: 06 MAY 1759 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland
ROBERT STEWART - Male Christening: 22 FEB 1761 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland
CATHARINE STEWART - Female Christening: 05 MAY 1765 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland

Hope this is of use to some one regards Colin

[Ryk]

So, have I got this correct then...?

John STEWART m 8 JAN 1773 in Callander to Janet BUCHANAN, children:

1. Elisabeth Stewart, b. 1773 in Callander
2. Duncan Stewart, b 1775 in Callander
3. Alexander Stewart, b 1779 in Callander
4. John Stewart, b. 1780 in Callander (twin of Robert). He became a forester in Shots, Lanark (near Glasgow?)m to Janet Stewart (no marriage found). Children:
1. Janet Stewart, b. 1814 in Mull, Kilninian and Kilmore, Argyll
2. Mary Stewart, b. 1816 in Kilninian and Kilmore, Argyll
3. John Stewart, b. 1819 in Shots, Lanark
5. Robert Stewart, b. 1780 in Callander (twin of John)
6. Walter Stewart, b. 1783 in Callander (lived to adulthood as mentioned in will)
7. Catharine Stewart, b. 1785 in Callander

The key for us is to identify this family with clarity ca. 1815 and preferably with a good idea of the generation before that. That is the range covered by Stewarts of the South.

Okay, I'm going to post this now before I go digging so that I can refer back to this entry.

Meanwhile, Belinda, can you have a look in your Callander notes and see if you can identify a location for any of these events. Unfortunately Susan's transcriptions from Callander end in 1772 just before this family enters the picture.

I'll start looking through SOS and see what I can find....
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Ryk Brown
Descendant of the Stewarts of Dalveich (Ardvorlich)
Sliochd Iain Dubh Mhor

[kiwicol]

Thanks folks.

[Ryk]

Potential matches so far:

Ardvorlich III.3
John Stewart late tacksman of Ruchoais, Buchanan parish, Stirlingshire, which is the Duke of Montrose's property. Lochlomondside called Craigrostain claimed once by Rob Roy Macgregor. His sons are:
1. David, a cottager in Aberfoil He has one son who is a minor.
2. Walter Stewart, who is a gardener in Glasgow He has three sons who are minors.
3. Charles, a journeyman gardener in Do ["ditto" = Glasgow]. He has two sons who are minors.

Ardvorlich IV.1
1. Duncan Stewart. (The reference below indicates that this line is descended from Duncan Stewart, once tacksman of Radnaik -- who is NOT the same person as Duncan Oag, patriarch of Branch IV. Duncan is the brother of Donald Stewart, late tacksman of Auchmore, patriarch of line 2, below.)

a) James Stewart, tacksman of Easter & Wester Ward, Kincardine parish, on the Blair Drummond estate, is a gentleman farmer and bachelor. He is son of Duncan Stewart, once tacksman of Radnaik, Port parish General Graham of Bogtown - £350 rent.
b) John Stewart, his brother, a farmer in Redhaugh [which is] Touch's estate, which now belongs to Murray of Polmaize, Stirlingshire. His sons:

1. An officer in the 42nd Regiment of Foot.
2. An officer in another regiment.
3. A surgeon and physician.
4. A writer
5. Another 2 or 3 at home who are minors.

Ardvorlich IX.5 (Bains of Glenfinglas)
John Stewart, brother to the above Walter, at Burn of Camus, Down lodge. He left one son:
1. John Stewart, a shoemaker who has four sons:

1st son is a mason
2 son a Slater
3 a Wright
4 son a tailor

Arvorlich XI
This finishes Ardvorlich's family as far as I can know, excepting a family in Campsie who says they are of Ardvorlich. One of them, John Stewart at Kirkton of Campsie says his grandfather Duncan Stewart came from Glenfinglas. He had twelve sons. I know some of them scattered through that country. There is one of them, a servant to Peter Stewart of Blartomach, who is not of the first rate. He has some brothers through that country. Perhaps the present Mr Stewart (William Stewart, 8th Ardvorlich) could give a more accurate account, as few gentlemen can be better versed in the history of his own clan and country, together with other branches of history.

Glenbuckie X
2. Rob, in Blairchoill, had a second son named Walter, formerly [a] tenant in Ardvorlich, who left

1. one son, now tenant in Offerings, [which is] part of the Barony of Lanrick, [in] Callander parish, formerly the property of Burrel Drummond, but now that of Sir Patrick Murray. [This son] is an industrious, well-doing, farmer and who had five sons:

1. Walter, a shepherd with MacFarlan of Coillechra, who has one son
2. Robert, has emigrated to North America and has one son
3. John &
4. David reside at home with the father
5. Robert died last year. (It is possible that there were two brothers both named Robert, but it is more likely that the author made an error here in the name of one of the two Roberts.)

3. The third son, was John of this family, [a] farmer in Cuil-an-Arigh, who left two sons, who were both tenants in the above farm [in] Callander parish, [on] the Earl of Moray's [estate], in which farm formerly were eight tenants, chiefly of the name of Stewart, and now there is only one tenant, who has also another adjoining farm

1. One of his sons was Alexander, who died [as] a cow-feeder in Glasgow and left four sons
2. The other, John, [is] now farmer in Spittle [in] Killearn parish [in] Stirling county, [which is] the birth place of the famous George Buchanan - which pays £100 of rent. This John has five sons about himself [who are[ all doing well. Two of these [sons] [have] families, consisting of four or five sons each.

Gartnafuaran VIII
John Stewart, [a] tenant in the lots of Greenock in the ancient Barony of Callendar, [which] formerly belonged to the family of Perth [and] now [belongs] to a gentleman from Edinburgh of the name of Hunter. [John] has four sons:
two with

himself
and two

in the West Indies. The one of which made a fortune there


From the Appendix (Callander)
Mr John Stewart, Tenant of Cuilanteogle and Taranduin, son of Duncan Stewart [in] Auchnahard, of the Ardvorlich and Annat family, a keen worldly character, [who did] sell of late, £220. I [once] saw four tenants, all Stewarts, in [Auchnahard], [on] the Earl of Murray's property

Plus several other entries for John Stewarts with insufficient information to go on.

I need to take a break here. Hopefully Belinda will be able to give us a lead on a place.
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Ryk Brown
Descendant of the Stewarts of Dalveich (Ardvorlich)
Sliochd Iain Dubh Mhor

[Belinda]

This might be the family mentioned in SOTS, p 62,:
Second Branch of Gartnafuaran, commonly called "Stuiartich a-Bhaid". In ancient times the oldest branch of the family of Gartnafuara was Ground Officer to the E of Moray in the district of Doune. There was one Andr Stewart, tenant in Cuil-n-togle who left two sons William and John - William is ground Officer to the E of Moray in the town of Doune - has one son in a very respectable affluent way in the West Indies.

John is a tenant in ?Enapach near Callander part of Burrel Drummond's estate, who had four sons; only two are alive, one Robert, the oldest, in good circumstances is a Spirit dealer in Glasgow and Alexr who went to the E indies some years ago and is in a prosperous way there.

The parish records show:
John Stewart m Janet Buchanan in Callander parish on 8 Jan 1773.
Their children were:
Elizabeth b 28 Oct 1733 in Culntogil, Callander
Alexander, b 16 Mar 1779 in Cullintogle Callander
John and Robert Stewart, twins, b 14 Dec 1780 in Culntogle Callander
Walter Stewart, b 12 Feb 1783 in Cullintogle Callander
Catherine Stewart 25 July 1785 in Calliveag of Cullintogle

I have John Stewart Sr as probably being born 28 Mar 1751 in Kincardine by Doune, son of Andrew Stewart and Katrin Murdoch, who were married 19 March 1750 in Kincardine by Doune parish.


Och Aye

Belinda

[Ryk]

Yes, this does fit with Stewart a'Bhaid. Belinda, isn't that the branch that you and Jared share in common? I'm going to send Jared a PM to alert him to this thread and let you Gartnafuaran folks have a go at this.
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Ryk Brown
Descendant of the Stewarts of Dalveich (Ardvorlich)
Sliochd Iain Dubh Mhor

[Jared]

Belinda's done it again. Yes, this family that "kiwicol" has been asking us about is certainly one of the families of the Stuiartich a'Bhaid, the second branch of the Stewarts of Gartnafuaran. As I discuss in my study of the Stuiartich a'Bhaid, they were probably descendants of the Stewarts of Blairgarry, said by Duncan Stewart (1739) to have stemmed from John, a younger son of Andrew Stewart, 1st of Gartnafuaran.

http://www.chuckspeed.com/balquhidder/history/Blairgarry.htm

By the way, Ryk, Belinda and I share the byline of this study, but our Stewart lines trace back to other Gartnafuaran branches. If kiwicol has correctly identified his Stewart ancestors, then this would be the first time that we've found a living descendant of the Stuiartich a'Bhaid.

This is the way Stewarts of the South describes kiwicol's Stewarts: