Stewarts of Balquhidder

lagrannoch · Newbie Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 8 : Items

Hi to you all.

I have a couple of Stewarts that might fit into your wonderful site.

First I have Daniel/Donald Mclaren and Margaret Stewart married 1779 listed in Kilmadock and Callander.

Second, their son Robert b 1786 and Jannet Stewart b 1794 married in 1817. Marriage listed in Kilmadock and Callander. Her parents are George Stewart and Janet Mcvey.

Any comments, information etc from you guys would be more than welcome.

Ryk · Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:50 am Post subject:

Lagrannoch,

Welcome to the group. You're definitely in the right place. We have successfully identified George Stewart who married Janet McVey. George was a descendant of the Stewarts of Portnellan on Loch Venacher in Callander. You can find George's family here:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rykbrown/stewart_of_gartnafuaran_branch_vii.htm
We had identified George and Janet's children, but we had not identified the marriage of their daughter Jannet to Robert McLaren. Thank you for that new information. Do you have any further information on this family you'd like to add to our database?

As for the Margaret Stewart who married Donald McLaren, we have not presently identified her birth family or ancestry. If you have any additional information on her family that could shed some light for us that would be great.

At the very least you are a descendant of the Stewarts of Portnellan, who are Branch VII of the Stewarts of Gartnafuaran, so I will upgrade you to Full Member Status to allow you full access to all discussion areas of the board including our private Members Only discussion area. And I will shortly move this thread to the Gartnafuaran section, however I want to wait until I hear back from you about Margaret Stewart before I move the thread.

If you have any questions about the Portnellan Stewart or the Gartnafuaran Stewarts or anything else about these Stewarts, please don't hesitate to ask. We're happy to answer.

Slainte

Ryk
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lagrannoch · Newbie Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 8 : Items

Thanks for the welcome.

Margaret Stewart and Daniel/Donald Mclaren. I am struggling with Margaret. It has been suggested to me recently that her parents may have been Hugh Stewart and Janet Duncanson. I am reluctant about this as none of Daniel and Margarets children are called Hugh. I am also reluctant because Hugh Stewart and Janet Duncanson daughter Margaret was born in Kilmadock. Daniel Mclaren and Margaret Stewarts marriage is listed in both Callander and Kilmadock. If Margaret was from Kilmadock why would it be listed in the two parishes? Hope that makes sense....

I also have other information on George Stewart and Janet Mcvey daughter Margaret who married Archibald McIntyre.

aye yours

malcolm the elder · Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:41 am Post subject: Hugh Stewart

The elusive Hugh, marrie twice or perhaps no 2 was handfast, his second wife Janet Duncanson,
To his first wife he had 2 children John and my ancestor Alexander, as in Buchanan tree, they however didnt bother with the second Marriage; owing to the bad state of the Kilmadock OPR's we can not exclude a Hugh being born, or the two Davids, 1762 and 1767 could have been our mysterious Hugh, or he may not have been baptised there is mention in the film "ïf dues are not paid in due time they will not be recorded" or if Hughs entry was recorded it could be on one of the damaged pages
I would say about a quarter of baptisms are missing in Volume 2 of Kilmadock OPR
and of course marriage or proclamations in 2 parishes was quite normal, the Bride coming from one and the groom from another
A better head than mine is needed here, Belinda, over to you,
When I looked at the Callander Proclamation it stated that the groom, Donald/Daniel was from Balquhidder ???? I have Snail Mailed Anne Crook, about this as she would have done the Sealing at LDS in 2000

all for now Busy, Busy, Busy

Regards Malcolm

lagrannoch · Newbie Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 8 : Items

Malcolm
Thanks for your reply.
The marriage proclamtiom for daniel/donald mclaren and margaret stewart is listed in both callander and kilmadock. My problem is if they were both from Kilmadock, as it appears they were, why is the marriage listed in callander.
To me, that would indicate that the bride was from callander and not kilmadock. Therefore possiblly excluding margaret, daughter of hugh stewart.
aye yours

Ryk · Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:43 pm Post subject:

I don't see any evidence that would support the suggestion that Margaret Stewart was the daughter of Hugh Stewart in Carse of Cambus other than the fact that she's close to the correct age and that she might have come from Kilmadock parish.

I think Lagrannoch is right to be doubtful of the connection given the fact that Donald McLaren and Margaret Stewart had no son named Hugh. However, in support of Malcolm's suggestion it would appear that the descendants of Hugh were less inclined to follow the traditional naming pattern. Neither Hugh's sons Alexander nor James named any of their sons Hugh. Thus Donald McLaren might be excused from naming his second son Hugh if that was not the custom in Margaret's family. However, the danger with this argument is that we could use the same reasoning to make the equal claim that Margaret came from every other Stewart family in the parishes of Kilmadock or Callander.

You are both correct in noting that the double marriage likely indicates that the bride and groom were from the two different parishes of Kilmadock and Callander. However, at this point, do we have evidence that suggests which was which? We have the testimony of the Callander marriage proclamation, which, according to Malcolm, says that Donald McLaren was actually from Balquhidder parish -- not Callander and not Kilmadock. This could be interpreted that Donald McLaren was formerly from Balquhidder but presently from Callander and that Margaret Stewart was the one from Kilmadock. However, it could just as easily be interpreted the other way around: that Donald McLaren was formerly from Balquhidder and presently from Kilmadock and that Margaret Stewart was from Callander. Or it could be an error. Do we have anything that would support one over the other?

The fact that Donald McLaren may have been originally from Balquhidder is no surprise at all as the west end of Loch Earn was the ancestral home of the main stem of Clan Laren.

I think at this point we have a pile of speculative evidence that points in multiple directions and insufficient evidence to really prefer any one over another so I think we'd be jumping to conclusions to prefer any birth for Margaret Stewart without further evidence.

Ryk
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Ryk · Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:50 pm Post subject:

I'm going to continue to leave this discussion here for the moment as we seem to be focussing more on the family and descendants of Margaret Stewart rather than George Stewart. If the conversation shifts more towards the Pornellan side then I will move this thread to the Gartnafuaran section.

Lagrannoch: My apologies. I forgot to upgrade you last night. I just noticed that now. You have now been upgraded to Full Member status and can access the whole forum. Sorry for the delay.
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lagrannoch · Newbie Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 8 : Items

Ryk

Thanks for your reply but I think we are talking about different people. The Daniel/Donald Mclaren and Margaret Stewart marriage proclamations I have say nothing about Balquhidder. They state Kilmadock and Callander.

Enough of those two. What information would you like about George Stewart and Janet McVey?

Aye yours

Ryk · Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:35 am Post subject: Re: stewarts and mclarens

Ryk · Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:21 pm Post subject:

Reposted from elsewhere:

Ryk · Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:23 pm Post subject:

Reposted from elsewhere:

Ryk · Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 12:40 pm Post subject:

Lagrannoch

Thanks for the additional info above.

I think there could be a problem with the baptisms above. The following births are chronologically challenging:

Ryk · Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:11 pm Post subject:

There is a Thomas Stewart in 1851 residing at Bridge End of Callander, b 1793 in Callander with no family and employed as a mason. I think this is probably "your" Thomas above. However, there was another Thomas Stewart from the Portnellan Stewarts who was born in 1795 who is close enough that it could be him. But I think the Thomas in the census is a closer match for the Thomas above. As he is shown with no family this would support your position above that Thomas never married.

Another possibility I hadn't considered above for the elusive Catharine and Mary in 1841 is that they could be grand-nieces. George's brother John Stewart in Easter Portnellan had four surviving sons who could have had daughters who would be the right age to be Catharine or Mary. We have not tracked the descendants of these sons yet, so I can't say for sure.
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Ryk · Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:43 pm Post subject:

I've finished the update on George's family. If you want to check here you can see if there are any errors or omissions:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rykbrown/stewart_of_gartnafuaran_branch_vii.htm

I have to say thank you for the amazing work you've done in tracking the marriages of the daughters of George. Stewarts of the South provides us with descendant information for sons only, so it's rare that we get a family with so many daughters where we've been able to track probably all of their marriages and children.

Thanks
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Ryk · Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:46 pm Post subject:

Getting back to the birth family for Margaret Stewart, wife of Donald McLaren, parents of Robert McLaren who married Jannet Stewart, daughter of George Stewart, above.

Donald MCLAREN married on 31 MAR 1779 in Callander, Perthshire, Scotland to Margaret STEWART
Children:
1. Janet MCLAREN b: ABT 27 FEB 1780 in Taylortoune, Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland
2. John MCLAREN b: ABT 30 MAR 1783 in Taylortoune, Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland
3. Robert MCLAREN b: 25 AUG 1786 in Taylortoune, Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland
4. James MCLAREN b: ABT 23 APR 1789 in Taylortoune, Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland
5. Mary MCLAREN b: ABT 19 DEC 1790 in Taylortoune, Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland

Mary McLaren's baptism in 1790 was witnessed by Robert McLaren and Robert STEWART both in Callichat (Coillechat). This would suggest to me that Robert Stewart in Coillechate was probably the brother or father of Margaret Stewart. If we can find Robert, then we can probably find Margaret's birth family. The only family we show residing in Coillechat is Branch IV of the Stewarts of Gartnafuaran, namely Sliochd Sean Rob mhic Alasdair Oig: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rykbrown/stewart_of_gartnafuaran_branch_iv.htm#1%20Line%20-%20Sean%20Rob%20mhic%20Alasdair%20Oig%20in%20Lower%20Duart

And that's where we find: