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Robert Stewart, feuar in Buchany and Burn of Cambus

 
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:54 am    Post subject: Robert Stewart, feuar in Buchany and Burn of Cambus Reply with quote

I stumbled across the following family which I cannot seem to place.

From Mitchell's MIs, Kilmadock Cemetery #203:
Robert STEWART feuar (at) Buchany 1776 (to) 1866, wife Agnes FORBES 1853, son James 1841 (age) 18, son John (a) blacksmith (at) Burn of Cambus died 6 SEP 1913, age 84 (and his wife Margaret BUCHANAN 31 JUL 1871, age 38, daughter Christina 8 MAY 1871, age 13, son Robert John died (at) Wester Coilechat 16 SEP 1929, age 61, daughter Agnes Forbes 1 DEC 1930, age 70 (widow of E. THOMSON), daughter Margaret Robina 9 DEC 1930, age 64)

From the above, supplemented by OPR and census records, I can reconstruct the following:

Robert STEWART, feuar in Buchany, later residing in Burn of Cambus, b. 1776 in Kilmadock parish, m. on 20 DEC 1822 in Kilmadock to Agnes FORBES, b 1789 in Kilmadock parish. Robert's occupation is given in census records as "black smith". Children:
1. James STEWART, b 5 OCT 1823 in Buchany, Kilmadock
2. Catharine STEWART, b 27 MAR 1826 in Burn of Cambus, Kilmadock
3. John STEWART, b. 31 DEC 1828 in Burn of Cambus, Kilmadock. Married Margaret BUCHANAN and had children in Burn of Cambus.
4. Robert STEWART, b. 1 NOV 1832 in Burn of Cambus, Kilmadock. Married Margaret Stewart DEWAR and had children in Kilmadock, later resided in Govan. (From Mal Gray's report)

The natural first place to look is with the Burn of Cambus branch of Annat, but I cannot find a place were this Robert might fit. The fact that he is a feuar would suggest that he'd have to be prominant enough to be mentioned in SOS, but I cannot find a good match. Any suggestions are welcome.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 4:22 am    Post subject: Robert Stewart Feuar Buchany Reply with quote

Ryk, you can find this Robert and Agnes FORBES, in my tree

Also Duncan <the> with the Dewars,deurs etc

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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Your tree gives the descendants of Robert Stewart and Agnes Forbes. I am trying to identify Robert's parents. Your tree does not give his parents. I have noted above that his descendant information is found in your tree.

I'm not sure which Duncan you are referring to above.

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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Belinda Dettman via email wrote:
I think the MI age at death of 90 is only approximate, so he wasn't necessarily born in 1776. I can find another candidate, in Robert Stewart, born 7 Jan 1781 in Lendrick, Kilmadock parish, parents Robert Stewart and Mary McArthur. The father Robert Stewart was probably married twice and had two large families. According to my theory he married Elizabeth Stewart in Kilmadock 2 July 1764 and had four children born in Callander, Stirling and Kilmadock between 1767 and 1773. He then had a liaison with Elizabeth Hillyard and had a daughter Mary born illegitimate in Doun in 1779. Finally he married Mary McArthur on 18 March 1780 in Kilmadock and they had another 5 children of which Robert was the first. As Robert senior's children included sons called Haldane and Colvil I believe he belongs to Branch 2 of Invernahyl (SOS p 75).

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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Belinda, your suggestions here make sense. I'm going to have another look at Gordon's notes on Invernahyle. Meanwhile, can you explain a little more about why you believe all three of these relationships belong to the same husband?
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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

See Stewarts of the South, p 75:
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Allans father was called Donach Mhac Allan Mhic Duail was innkeeper in Tighnaluib in Glendochard and married to a daughter of Invernahavil they were thought to be the most hardy race of all the Stewart and stoutest of Appin except Ardshiel family
Allan Stewart had two sons he was married to a Daughter of one Doctor Stewart of the house of Annat he had only one son by the wife and a natural son. the son by the wife was a soldier in the foot Guards and had a family in London Robert the natural son the Tacksman of Lendrich ?castle Sir Jn McG-M was one of the most active men in the country left four sons
1 Haldane died in the East Indies and made a fortune there and left it - he left two brothers in a great way there they were I think Duncan & Allan - there is another the youngest called Colbert with his mother in Callander of Monteith


Haldane was the son of Robert Stewart and Elizabeth Stewart, while Colvil/Colbert was the son of Robert Stewart and Mary McArthur. I interpret the family as follows:

1. Duncan STEWART called Donach Mhac Allan Mhic Duail (8820) (He [Duncan] was innkeeper in Tighnaluib ("house on the bay") in Glendochard and married to a daughter of Invernahavil. They were thought to be the most hardy race of all the Stewarts and [the] stoutest of [the] Appin [Stewarts] except [for the] Ardshiel family.
There is a place marked as 'Luib Hotel"' in Glen Dochard on the 1966 Ordnance Map of Scotland. It's on the A85 road about 5 miles west of Killin).

Children of Duncan Stewart called Donach Mhac Allan Mhic Duail (8820) and an unknown spouse were:
2. i. Allan in Greddinburn (5693), married Janet Stewart (5694).

Generation Two

2. Allan STEWART in Greddinburn (5693) married Janet Stewart (5694), daughter of Robert Stewart Chirurgeon (5639), 2 Sep 1733 Kilmadock, Perth.
Greddin-burn may be the modern farm called Greenburn, one mile SW of Deanston.

Children of Allan Stewart in Greddinburn (5693) and Janet Stewart (5694) were as follows:
i. Katharine (6201); christened 3 Aug 1734 Kilmadock, Perth.
ii. Margaret (5695); christened 1 Jan 1738 in Greddinburn, Kilmadock, Perth.
iii. Sarah (5698); christened 17 Feb 1740 in Greddinburn, Kilmadock, Perth.
iv. Katharine (5793) (Mother' name not given); christened 22 Jan 1749 in Greddin-burn, Kilmadock, Perth (Mother not named).

Children of Allan Stewart in Greddinburn (5693) and Mary Stewart (7391) were:
3. i. Robert at Lendrick (8596), born illegitimate 11 Dec 1736 in Doune, Kilmadock, Perth; married Elizabeth Stewart (8597).

Generation Three
3. Robert STEWART at Lendrick (8596) (born illegitimate 11 Dec 1736 in Doune, Kilmadock, Perth (Witness: Alexr Stewart in Deanston & Thomas Cadsdell in Doun); married Elizabeth Stewart (8597) 2 Jul 1764 Kilmadock, Perth.

Children of Robert Stewart at Lendrick (8596) and Elizabeth Stewart (8597) were as follows:
i. Haldane (8814); baptized 23 Feb 1767 Dunipace, Stirling.
ii. Patrick (8816); baptized 1 Feb 1769 Dunipace, Stirling.
iii. Duncan (8815); baptized 30 Jan 1771 Dunipace, Stirling.
iv. Agnes (6355); christened 11 Apr 1773 at Lendrick, Kilmadock, Perth.

Children of Robert Stewart at Lendrick (8596) and Elizabeth Hillyard (5947) were:
i. Mary (5948); born illegitimate, christened 26 Dec 1779 in Doun, Kilmadock, Perth.

Children of Robert Stewart at Lendrick (8596) and Mary McArthur (7276) all born at Lendrick, Kilmadock, Perth, were as follows:
i. Robert (7281); born 7 Jan 1781.
ii. James (7280); born 7 Jul 1782.
iii. Donald (7279); christened 12 Jul 1784.
iv. Colvil (7277); christened 29 Aug 1786.
v. Miss Lilias Wilson (7278); christened 22 Mar 1793; died circa 1856 residing at Castle Cottage, Doune, Kilamdock, Perth.

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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Solid. I think you're spot on! And if Robert, feuer of Buchan descends from both Invernahyle and Annat via Robert the surgeon, this would explain why Robert in Buchan had sufficient financial resources to have a feu of Buchan, rather than being a lesser tenant, as both Invernahyle and Annat were financially prosperous families. And he was the great-grandson of a doctor.
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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FYI - "Thomas Cadsdell in Doune" who witnessed Robert Stewart's illegitimate birth in 1736 would almost certainly be a descendant of Thomas Caddell, the world famous pistol-maker who opened up shop in 1646 in Doune. He would have been a leading citizen in Doune, suggesting this family of Stewarts were also higher up the social ladder. I'd be curious to see if there's a marital connection between the Caddell family and the Stewarts.
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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ryk, I think I've identified the son by the wife (see following quote)
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Allan Stewart had two sons he was married to a Daughter of one Doctor Stewart of the house of Annat he had only one son by the wife and a natural son. the son by the wife was a soldier in the foot Guards and had a family in London Robert the natural son the Tacksman of Lendrich ?castle Sir Jn McG-M was one of the most active men in the country left four sons


John Stewart was baptised in Kirktown of Kilmadock, Kilmadock on 30 Dec 1735, parents given as Allan and Isobell Stewart. Witnesses were: 'Robert Stewart there and John Stewart Ygr of Annat'. I think the "Isobell" is wrong, and should be Janet. Allan Stewart's wife Janet Stewart was of Annat and I think Robert and John Stewart are her Annat cousins. This John would be Allan Stewart's first-born son, and he'd want the birth witnessed by well-regarded and trustworthy kinsmen. I think John is the soldier in the Foot Guards who had a family in London.

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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The forename Allan is an Invernahyle name and is not native to our Balquhidder Stewarts. I think it's highly unlikely there would be more than one Allan Stewart in Kilmadock parish in the early 18th century. I think this must be the same Allan Stewart. Which means that either you are correct that the OPR is in error on his wife's name or he was a bigamist. I'll cast my vote with you.
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