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 Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:41 am Post subject: Gartnafuara Branch third. Sliochd Rob Dhuibh mhoir. |
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I’m intrigued by the SOTS author’s antipathy to Duncan Stewart, Tacksman of Brenchoil, whom he describes as unprincipled, dangerous, and “raised himself from the dung hill by forwardness and villany”.
| Quote: | Branch third - or what is called "Sliochd Rob Dhuibh mhoir" - who was a son of Gartnafuara tenant of Wester Ardchubry, Balquidder Parish in Strathyre district of Auchlessy, whose descendant was Rob McDonachie, lately one of the four tenants of Ardcheanacnocan who left four sons, viz: Duncan, tacksman of Letter & Brainchoill, Loch Catherineside, Callendar parish who has three sons - Robt, a Clerk in London James a student of Divinity and a young boy under age - This Duncan Stewart is possessed of some unprincipled abilities; he is tacksman of Brainchoill where there was once a hospitable reception for persons of every description with every mark of kindly hospitality by the late worthy family of Glenbucky and where there is now neither house nor hall - David Stewart, his brother a Land-surveyor and factor in England, has one son, a character who is proof against all disappointments and adversities - Robert his brother is a steady respectable man and a Clerk in the bank of England and has no family - James his brother tacksman of Ard-chean-cnocan has one son - This man has an opportunity to gain friends and money but I am afraid he is too much addicted to his cups - This finishes the account of "Sliochd Rob Dhuibh-mhoir">
Ard-chean-cnocan, belongs to Burrel Drummond and pay of rent 100 guineas - Brain choill and Letter pay 200 guineas - Duncan Stewart has also another farm in Glen-elg which pays £500
No 4 Mr Duncan Stewart Tacksman of Letter and Brenchoille where the hospitable and good family of Glenbucky once resided and is of the Gartnafuaran family Perth property A dangerous character if much in his power £200 and in Glenelg £300 since I wrote this first & offering on the whole of Glenfinglass £300 more
No 5 Mr James Stewart his brother in Ardkenknocan in Trossachs A better character & sober £?700 Perth property having seen four tenants Stewarts in that place
I mentioned in one of the preceeding pages concerning one Duncan Stewart, Tacksman of Brainchoil & Letter of the family of Gartnafuaran, which you will notice in the proper place, that he was a dangerous character which truly happened shortly after. I mentioned likewise in its proper place that Glen finlas was 800 guineas - 100 guineas to each of the eight tenants there - this low fellow that raised himself from the dung hill by forwardness and villany offered 1200 Guineas for the Glen altogether with 100 guineas in the Earl of Moray's will - Now bad as he is, the Coiff the Earl would not accept of this, and only advanced the rent of £60 - by this he re fused fully 400 guineas - but this present Earl, is acting by the injunctions of his father who directed him not to harass these tenants, for he is not in himself really bad, if Lady Moray and other bad councillors would not influence him.
This Duncan Stewart, it cannot be denied, is a clever fellow, were he to make good use of his abilities - it was not out of mere spite & malice he did this to his neighbours, who were tenants the time he was a cottar - His offers, however, rejected here with disdain and so might every one of his kind. |
I’ve been trying to put this family together and so far I’ve come up with the following:
1. Robert McDonachie STEWART (508); born circa 1735; married Janet Black (509) 28 Nov 1766 Callander, Perth.
Children of Robert McDonachie Stewart (508) and Janet Black (509) were as follows:
i. Christian (510); born 10 Aug 1767 in Milton, Callander, Perthshire, Scotland.
2. ii. David (514), born 1 Jun 1769 in Wester Ardkenknokan, Callander, Perthshire, Scotland; married Martha Mann (10038).
3. iii. Duncan Tacksman of Branchoill (4872), born 6 Jun 1771 in Ardkenknocan, Callander, Perth; married Mary Stewart (4873).
iv. James (513); born 29 Jun 1773 in Ardkenknokan, Callander, Perthshire, Scotland; married Isabella Purdie (8146). No children survived.
v. Isabell (511); born 31 Aug 1775 in Ardkenknokan, Callander, Perthshire, Scotland.
vi. Robert (515); born 15 Feb 1779 in Ardkencnoclan, Callander, Perthshire, Scotland. No family.
Generation Two
2. David STEWART (514); born 1 Jun 1769 in Wester Ardkenknokan, Callander, Perthshire, Scotland; married Martha Mann; died 1852.
Children of David Stewart (514) and Martha Mann (10038) were:
i. Robert Bruce (8147); bap 20 Apr 1813 Christ Church, Southwark, London. In 1846, Robert Bruce Stewart, David's son, sailed for Prince Edward Island, Canada and settled there as resident landlord. He built a fine house named Strathgartney, apparently after an ancestral home on the shore of Loch Katrine. Descendants of Robert Bruce Stewart occupied Strathgartney until about 1950.
3. Duncan STEWART Tacksman of Branchoill (4872); born 6 Jun 1771 in Ardkenknocan, Callander, Perth; married Mary Stewart (4873) 30 Dec 1797 Aberfoyle, Perthshire, Scotland.
Children of Duncan Stewart Tacksman of Branchoill (4872) and Mary Stewart (4873) were as follows:
i. Robert (4874); born 11 May 1801 at Brenachoil, Callander, Perthshire, Scotland; married Mary Stewart (4866), daughter of Walter Stewart of Edralecich and Lorachan (4863) and Elizabeth or Betty McDonald in Balquhidder (4864), 16 Jan 1835 Callander, Perth (Marriage according to Malcolm Gray).
ii. Jannet (4875); born 30 Apr 1803 at Brenchoil, Callander, Perthshire, Scotland.
The only possible birth record I can find for Robert McDonachie STEWART, the patriarch of this branch, seems to be Robert Stewart, b 2 July 1729 in Craigullen in _ tica, Callander parish, begotten in fornication to Duncan Stewart and Janet Stewart, but records for this district at this time are somewhat scanty, so it need not be him.
The descendants of Robert Stewart and Janet Black correspond very closely to the SOTS description and there appears to be little doubt that this is the relevant family. However the children born to Duncan and Mary Stewart “at Brenchoil” in the next generation are somewhat puzzling. Those listed here are the only ones I can find who correspond even vaguely to the SOTs description, but Robert, born 1801, appears to be the only son of Duncan at Branchoil, and would still be a minor in 1815. The only explanation I can see is that SOTS has confused the two generations and has miscopied Duncan’s brothers Robert and James as his children, while the remaining “young boy under age” is the young Robert.
There are several other families who should probably be slotted in here somewhere as well.
James STEWART in Breanchoile (4998); married Janet Stewart (4999).
Children of James Stewart in Breanchoile (4998) and Janet Stewart (4999) all born in Breanchoile, Callander, Perthshire, Scotland, were as follows:
i. Alexander a twin (5001); born 11 Apr 1757.
ii. Robert a twin (5002); born 11 Apr 1757.
iii. Duncan (5000); born 11 Aug 1762.
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Duncan STEWART in Ardcheancnoclan (5735); married Janet Stewart (382), daughter of Duncan Stewart in Ardkencnoclan (7492) and Anne or Agnes Stewart (381), 22 Mar 1784 Callander, Perth.
Children of Duncan Stewart in Ardcheancnoclan (5735) and Janet Stewart (382) were as follows:
i. Peter (4718); born 18 May 1785 in Ardkencnoctan, Callander, Perthshire, Scotland.
ii. Duncan (4716); born 20 Mar 1787 in Easter Ardkeanchnochlan, Callander, Perthshire, Scotland.
iii. John (4715); born 12 Apr 1788 in Ardcheanchnochlan, Callander, Perthshire, Scotland.
iv. James (4719); born 23 Apr 1790 in Ardcheanchnochan, Callander, Perthshire, Scotland.
v. Anne (4714); born 30 Mar 1792 in Ardkeancnnocan, Callander, Perthshire, Scotland.
vi. Donald (4717); born 26 Aug 1795 at Ardchean, Callander, Perthshire, Scotland.
vii. David (5209); born 27 Feb 1798 at Ardchean, Callander, Perth.
Food for thought.
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Food for thought indeed! You've quite filled our plates! Excellent work, as always. I'd been wondering when we were going to get around to this branch of Gartnafuaran. I must say I'm just amazed that Canadian descendants of this branch as recent as 1950 are known. I wonder how long before one of them find us and joins the forum.
<i>The only possible birth record I can find for Robert McDonachie STEWART, the patriarch of this branch, seems to be Robert Stewart, b 2 July 1729 in Craigullen in _ tica, Callander parish, begotten in fornication to Duncan Stewart and Janet Stewart, but records for this district at this time are somewhat scanty, so it need not be him.</i>
Yes, it need not be him. After all, it was Rob MacDonachie's son Duncan who was the real "bastard" of this family, judging from the way SOTS describes him. 
<i>The only explanation I can see is that SOTS has confused the two generations and has miscopied Duncan’s brothers Robert and James as his children, while the remaining “young boy under age” is the young Robert.</i>
Could be. After all, if Capt. Stewart thought Duncan was unprincipled and dangerous, he might not be likely to inquire personally with Duncan regarding his family, but would be more likely to rely on the reports of others.
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| Quote: | Stewart, Robert Bruce 1813-1884
Land Proprietor/Estate Manager
Established the Strathgartney Homestead in 1863
He was the largest resident proprietor on Prince Edward Island, owning more than 67,000 acres, when he was forced to sell the majority of his land in 1875 to the Prince Edward Island Government.
His story may be found in the Island Magazine (Spring/Summer 1987) in the article Robert Bruce Stewart And The Land Question |
from http://www.islandregister.com/burials/ip1.html
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In skimming the Canadian records on-line about Robert Bruce Stewart, it would appear that he took after his father, David/Duncan.
Stewarts of the South mentions (above) that Duncan/David tried through some guile to purchase the profitable Glen Finglas lands, but was rebuffed by the Earl of Moray. His son, Robert Bruce Stewart, became an absentee landlord in PEI, Canada where he was the largest single land proprietor by far. There was a large legal precendent-setting case against him in which the PEI Provincial Government eventually was successful in forcing him to sell all but 500 of his 67,000 acres to the government for redistribution. The action arose because there was strict legislation in Canada to encourage immigration and discourage absentee landlords, which required that land owners must physically occupy and begin to develop their lands within one year of purchase. However, as I understand it, these laws were not actively enforced in PEI, allowing Robert Bruce Stewart to buy up 67,000 acres. Actually some of the links above imply that Robert's father was the first to start buying up the PEI land from London and that Robert merely carried on where his father left off.
Impoverished tenants on PEI began a campaign of civil disobedience to try to force their provincial government to enforce the land laws and oust the absentee landlords. Robert Bruce Stewart then organized a group of fellow landowners to try to oppose the tenantry and initially met with sympathy from the aristrocratic provincial governors. However, in the end (and I'm not clear on how/why) the tide reversed and Robert and his fellow land owners were forced to sell their excessive holdings.
Thus it would appear this family had a history of trying to make money through greedy land speculation, and alienating the local residents in the process.
Robert's "estate" of Strathgartney, PEI is now listed as a provincial heritage property.
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| Belinda wrote: | | The descendants of Robert Stewart and Janet Black correspond very closely to the SOTS description and there appears to be little doubt that this is the relevant family. However the children born to Duncan and Mary Stewart “at Brenchoil” in the next generation are somewhat puzzling. Those listed here are the only ones I can find who correspond even vaguely to the SOTs description, but Robert, born 1801, appears to be the only son of Duncan at Branchoil, and would still be a minor in 1815. The only explanation I can see is that SOTS has confused the two generations and has miscopied Duncan’s brothers Robert and James as his children, while the remaining “young boy under age” is the young Robert. |
I'm less bothered by this apparent discrepancy. Stewarts of the South was written over a period of several years. We throw around "ca. 1815" as a convenience, but there are sections of it that clearly date as late as 1820, possibly even 1821. Thus, I think it's chronologically possible for Robert, the eldest son, to be a 19 year old clerk in London, and have a younger brother James, probably about 16 years old, who was enrolled as a student of Divinity, and a third son under age, and fit with Stewarts of the South.
And I'm definitely not bothered by the fact that the Callander OPR doesn't appear to have the births for James, ca 1804, and another son, possibly as late as 1810. We've seen lots of cases of missing names. Or they could be in another parish.
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Ryk, I don't understand your David/Duncan reference above. David (b 1769, married Martha Mann) and father of Robert Bruce Stewart (b 1813 in London) was the London lawyer who bought land in PEI. Duncan (b 1771, m Mary Stewart) was his younger brother, the bad Duncan who tried to purchase the Glenfinglas lands.
I've got quotes on David and Robert Bruce, as follows:
David: | Quote: | David practised as a lawyer in London.
From a hand?written note seen in a file of tourist material in a local library.[on Prince Edward Island, Canada]??: Anyone interested in the local history of P.E.I. would enjoy reading a book titled After Strathgartney. It throws some light on the 'Land Question' by describing conditions under the Landlords.... David Stewart, born at Ardcheanochrochan, Perthshire, Scotland, was the owner of 70,000 acres, comprising Lots 30, 7, 10, 12, and parts of 47 and 27, which he visited from June to August, 1831. He never returned to the Island. His son Robert Bruce Stewart came in 1846, and took possession of the vast property, he built a large house on Lot 30 which he name Strathgartney. Among many privileges he enjoyed as proprietor of a great estate was a private mail bag. In 1875 the Land Purchase Act required him to sell all but 500 acres. His great?grandson, Alan Stewart, has his diary.
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Robert Bruce Stewart:
| Quote: | In 1846, Robert Bruce Stewart, David's son, sailed for P.E.I. and settled there as resident landlord. He built a fine house named Strathgartney, apparently after an ancestral home on the shore of Loch Katrine. Descendants of Robert Bruce Stewart occupied Strathgartney until about 1950. The house has now been restored to its original period and is operated as a museum by a private company.
From a brochure circulated by Strathgartney Enterprises Ltd., Charlottetown, P.E.I., 1968. ". . . Strathgartney Homestead was built in 1846 ? 47 by Robert Bruce Stewart, son of David Stewart of Perthshire, Scotland, who received grants of land, totalling over 70,000 acres in P.E.I. David Stewart visited his property in 1831, and in 1846 his son settled as Landlord at Strathgartney.... In 1875, when the Land Purchase Act was passed, Robert Bruce Stewart retained the 500 acres which is today Strathgartney Homestead. . . . the Stewart family continued to live here until 1955, when the Hon. W.F. Allen Stewart, a long?time member of the P.E.I. Legislative Assembly, died....
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Maddeningly, I haven't referenced the source of these quotes in my database and I can't find where I copied them from. Might be from the SCM.
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| Belinda wrote: | | Ryk, I don't understand your David/Duncan reference above. David (b 1769, married Martha Mann) and father of Robert Bruce Stewart (b 1813 in London) was the London lawyer who bought land in PEI. Duncan (b 1771, m Mary Stewart) was his younger brother, the bad Duncan who tried to purchase the Glenfinglas lands. |
 Oops! You are quite correct. In my haste I have confounded David and Duncan.
Revising my comment above -- it would appear that David, the lawyer, (who bought up half of PEI as an absentee landlord), his brother Duncan (who tried in vain to purchase Glen Finglas), and David's son, Robert Bruce (who headed up the landlord group opposing the government legislation), were all prone to greedy land acquisition. I guess I'm just seeing quite a famillial consistency! 
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| Quote: | | Revising my comment above -- it would appear that David, the lawyer, (who bought up half of PEI as an absentee landlord), his brother Duncan (who tried in vain to purchase Glen Finglas), and David's son, Robert Bruce (who headed up the landlord group opposing the government legislation), were all prone to greedy land acquisition. I guess I'm just seeing quite a famillial consistency! |
LOL. Yes, I'd certainly agree with that! |
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| Quote: | | The only possible birth record I can find for Robert McDonachie STEWART, the patriarch of this branch, seems to be Robert Stewart, b 2 July 1729 in Craigullen in _ tica, Callander parish, begotten in fornication to Duncan Stewart and Janet Stewart, but records for this district at this time are somewhat scanty, so it need not be him. |
I forgot to comment on this earlier.
There's no question that onomastically and chronologically this birth is an excellent fit. It could very easily be the right birth. In my previous post in the other discussion I even suggested that I liked that birth for Robert. However, now seeing Robert McDonachie in his proper context I think it's unlikely this is his birth. Rob McDonachie's sons seem to have prospered greatly, suggesting that Rob McDonachie himself was probably reasonably prosperous. He was also recorded as the lineal heir of Rob Duibh Mhor. Such prosperity suggests to me that Rob McDonachie's birth is more likely lawful than natural. However, that's purely circumstantial.
I am unable to find any place in Callander that ends with "__tica". My best guess for Craigullen would be Craig Mhuilinn. The Gaelic name for the Milton Glen Burn is Gleann Baile Mhuilinn. Muilinn is the genative form of Muilean which means "mill". Thus Baile Mhuilinn means "mill town" = Milton. So, I'd guess there's a rock up that glen somewhere called Craig Mhuilinn. As Milton is nowhere near Ardcheanochdan, Ardchullarie, Breanachoile, or Letter then that would further lead me to think this birth doesn't belong to this family. However, I acknowledge the weakness of my analysis of the location.
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<i>. . . were all prone to greedy land acquisition. I guess I'm just seeing quite a famillial consistency!</i>
Sliochd Rob <b>Dhuibh</b> mhoir indeed!
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| Jared wrote: | <i>. . . were all prone to greedy land acquisition. I guess I'm just seeing quite a famillial consistency!</i>
Sliochd Rob <b>Dhuibh</b> mhoir indeed! |
Whoa! A Gaelic pun! Bravo!
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| Quote: | | I am unable to find any place in Callander that ends with "__tica". My best guess for Craigullen would be Craig Mhuilinn. The Gaelic name for the Milton Glen Burn is Gleann Baile Mhuilinn. Muilinn is the genative form of Muilean which means "mill". Thus Baile Mhuilinn means "mill town" = Milton. So, I'd guess there's a rock up that glen somewhere called Craig Mhuilinn. As Milton is nowhere near Ardcheanochdan, Ardchullarie, Breanachoile, or Letter then that would further lead me to think this birth doesn't belong to this family. However, I acknowledge the weakness of my analysis of the location. |
On the other hand...Robert's eldest daughter was born in Milton, Callander, sooooo...maybe.... 
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Looking for the early generations of Branch Third, Ryk did some analysis at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rykbrown/stewarts_of_the_south_section_three.htm#III%20Branch%20-%20Sliochd%20Rob%20Dhuibh%20Mhoir
This now appears to need an extra generation inserted, and I've revamped Ryk's outline as follows:
Alexander Stewart, 5th of Gartnafuaran, c 1575, m Janet McGregor.
Robert Dubh Mor Stewart, c 1605.
1st Missing generation Stewart, c 1635
2nd Missing generation Stewart, c 1670
Duncan Stewart, c 1700.
Robert McDonachie Stewart, c 1735, m Janet Black.
Christian 1767, David, 1769, Duncan 1771, James 1773, Isabel 1775, Robert 1770.
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