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Glenbuckie Branch IX (Sliochd Gleanmagaolric in Dallanlagan)
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:10 pm    Post subject: Glenbuckie Branch IX (Sliochd Gleanmagaolric in Dallanlagan) Reply with quote

A Stewart cousin of mine brought your excellent website to my attention recently. I believe that we're both descendants of the Glenbuckie Branch IX "Sliochd Gleanmagaolric" founded by Duncan "Og" Stewart.

Our gr.gr.gr.gr. grandparents were an Angus Stewart (1779-1857) and Catherine McKerracher (1787-1882), who were married on 15 Jan 1809 in Kincardine By Doune, Perthshire. Angus was born in Callander on 21 Mar 1779 to a James Stewart and a Jannet McDonald (IGI). This family had resided in Port of Menteith before emigrating to Quebec in 1828. They later relocated to Mosa Township, Middlesex County, Upper Canada in 1835.

Angus and Catherine had three sons: James (our gr.gr.gr. grandfather), John and Duncan. They also had at least six daughters: Mary, Jannet, Margaret, Catherine, Anna, and Jean. The eldest child, Mary, was born in Kincardine BY Doune, while the remaining siblings were born in Port of Menteith. I have unfortunately not located the youngest son, Duncan's, birth location, but it also most likely was in Port of Menteith.

With the exception of the eldest child Mary, the names of the others appear to fit well with the Dallalagan Stewarts that your site has listed according to family groups. This leads me to believe that my family is from this Glenbuckie line.

I look forward to hearing from the group and also to contributing my research on the descendants of Angus and Catherine Stewart![/i]
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi there

I note that Ryk doesn't ascribe any one to Branch IX of Glenbucky, but I have a tentative assignation in my database.

Your ancestor Angus Stewart (b 1779 in Ardkenochlan) is the son of James Stewart and Janet McDonald. That particular James Stewart is probably the son of Duncan Stewart, tenant in Glenbuckie, and his wife Jean Campbell. I think that is Duncan Og Stewart. There's no record of his son James, but he has sons Alexander, John and Duncan, as reported in Stewarts of the South. Unfortunately I can't fit Duncan og into the Glenbuckie hierarchy but I'm sure he's in there somewhere.

Glenbucky is just one of my Stewart lines as one of my ancestors came from Branch VI, Lorachan.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Welcome to the group. Thanks for your posting and thank you most especially for doing your "homework" so thoroughly. That's much appreciated and makes it easier for us to assist you.

On my initial reading of what you've presented above I would say the chance that you match with Branch IX of Glenbuckie is excellent.

Belinda is correct that we, as yet, have no accounting of this family, though it would appear Belinda has done a bit of work on her own on this branch. It also looks to me like Belinda has probably found the correct family for you. (Thanks, Belinda, for sharing that info.)

However, I can't quite match which family from Dallanlaggan you are referring to when you say you think you have a match. Can you copy and paste the family you're referring to into a posting here? Regardless of whether or not you match with the Dallanlaggan family, I think it's still very likely that you do match with Branch IX of Glenbuckie.

I know the Mosa area reasonably well. I grew up in London, just east of there and my brother now lives nearby in Strathroy.

DW, I think the next step I would recommend is that you post full detail on what you have on the Scottish generations of this family up to and including the generation that immigrated to Canada. I will have a look at your data and give you a more thorough response at that time.

I'm quite hopeful about this one as it would be nice to have an accounting of this branch.

I will also upgrade you to Full Member status so you can access the full forum. I'm not going to move this thread to the Glenbuckie section quite yet until I'm a little more sure of the match, but I will probably move the thread shortly.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While this is on my mind -- if it turns out to be correct that DW's family is Branch IX of Glenbuckie then I noticed the multiple consecutive generations of Duncan Stewarts in the senior line and it reminded me of an earlier discussion:
http://www.hostmybb.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=137&mforum=stewart
I wonder if we might be back on track with the "Ten Generations of Duncan Stewarts"?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DW

I noticed you're referencing the IGI for a few items above that we have full transriptions for. You may not have found our transcription collection yet. Go to our main page:
http://www.chuckspeed.com/balquhidder/balquhidder%20stewarts.html
Scroll down to "Old Parish Register Transcriptions" and you'll see all the Stewart entries for Balquhidder, Callander and Kincardine already transcribed. That ought to give you some extra help.

Meanwhile, I'm continuing my follow up on your family above.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup. You've definitely got a match there. Definitely Glenbuckie Branch IX. Let me get this thread moved over to the Glenbuckie section and I'll post further....
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, WD, here's what I've come up with.

Firstly, I absolutely agree with Belinda's suggested accounting above, though I haven't finished following up on the earlier generation of Duncan Og Stewart. But as far as Angus and his birth family, son of James, here we go:

In Stewarts of the South we find:
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There was another son of Duncan og, called James, formerly tenant in Ardchechnacnocan [in] Callander parish, part of Burrel Drummond's estate, who left three sons, [namely]
1. Angus, who emigrated to North America, and who had three sons
2. Duncan, a moss-laird in Erskine of Cardross' estate in Port [of Menteith] parish, Perth county, who has three sons [who are all] under age
3. Patrick, another son of James crofter in Soldiers' land near Callander, also [has] three sons [who are] under age.


In the OPR (as Belinda suggested), we find this family which is a near-dead match. (This is probably the Dallanlaggan family you were referring to previously.)
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James STEWART and Janet MCDONALD in Dallanlaggan and Callander parish, m. 10 NOV 1767 in Balquhidder with James of Balquhidder parish and Janet of Comrie parish.
1. Margaret STEWART, bap. 30 JAN 1769 in Dallaggan
2. Duncan STEWART, bap. 10 AUG 1771 in Balmenoch of Glenbukie (Dallanlaggan)
3. Catharine STEWART, bap. 16 MAY 1774 in Dallaggan
4. John STEWART, b. 23 AUG 1776 and bap 25 AUG 1776 in Callander parish
5. Angus STEWART, b. 21 MARY 1779 and bap. 23 MAR 1779 in Callander parish
6. Ann STEWART, b. 2 SEP 1781 and bap. on the same day in Callander parish
7. Janet STEWART, b. 7 NOV 1784 and bap. 9 NOV 1784 in Callander parish

The Callander births for the later children all occur in Ardcheanochdan. But Patrick is missing.

However, I find b 24 Oct 1786, bap 29 Oct 1786, Patrick Stewart son of James STEWART and Cathrine FERGUSON in Wester Bridge of Turk. This is the only child in Callander for James Stewart and Cathrine Ferguson, and Brig o' Turk is not very far from Ardcheanochdan. I think this is the same James with a second wife, with only the one child by his second wife.

The fact that this family begins in Dallanlaggan and moves to Ardcheanochdan matches perfectly with Stewarts of the South. Plus the OPR shows Duncan as the eldest son of James, which corrects the onomastic error in Stewarts of the South to what we should expect.

Plus Stewarts of the South shows Angus immigrating to North America and we find the matching Angus in Mosa whose birth (I believe from the grave stone) is given as 1780.

Then if we jump back to Balquhidder again, we find the following contemporary family also in Dallanlaggan:

John STEWART and Mary MCINTYRE in Dallanlaggan and Auchleskine, m. 18 FEB 1758 in Balquhidder parish (not in Fiona's transcriptions). (See also John Stewart earlier in Immereoin and note contemporary in Dallanlaggan)
1. Margaret STEWART, bap. 17 JUL 1759 in Dallaggan
2. Duncan STEWART, bap. 23 FEB 1761 in Dalaggan
3. Patrick STEWART, bap. 21 MAR 1763 in Dallaggan
4. David STEWART, bap. 20 JUL 1764 in Dallaggan of Glenbucky
5. Alexander STEWART, bap. 11 MAR 1766 in Dallaggan
6. Betterage STEWART, bap. 17 APR 1768 in Dallaggan of Glenbukie
7. Duncan STEWART, bap. 19 NOV 1769 in Dallaggan
8. Donald STEWART, bap. 30 APR 1772 in Dallagan of Glenbukie
9. Jean STEWART, bap. 16 MAY 1774 in Dallaggan
10. Elisabeth STEWART, bap. 22 JAN 1779 in Auchleskine

This fits with the description of Iain mac Donnachaidh Stewart from Stewarts of the South, older brother of James (above):
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John, son of Duncan og, commonly called "Ian McDonachie", the decentest tenant that was in Balquhidder when I frequented that place first - he was tacksman of Achlaskin (Auchleskine), part of the property of Sir John Murray-MaGregor in Balquidder. [He] left three sons [who are] all dead, except one:
1. Duncan, who is what they call a Moss-Laird, in Summerline, Flanders moss [on] Blair Drummond's property, who has four sons [who are] all under age. This Duncan was a real profligate and reduced himself and his father's family to perfect slavery in that place.

If this is the correct match then it would appear that John lost three sons in infancy (not recorded in Stewarts of the South) and then two more as young adults.

The surviving Duncan is described above as a Moss Laird. There are 5 Duncan Stewarts residing on the Moss in 1814. ( http://www.chuckspeed.com/balquhidder/history/Blair_Drummond_Moss_Census_1814.htm ). We have:
1. Robertson' Lane No5
2. Wood Lane No16
3. Rossburn Lane No9
4. Summer's Lane No17(a)
5. Kirk Lane No14

The first one on Robertson Lane is a dead match for the Duncan b 1769 in Dallanlaggan. There we find a 44 year old Duncan Stewart and his 42 year old wife, Jannet Stewart, from Balquhidder 5 years ago. They are living as sub-tenants (one of the few such sub-tenants recorded in the 1814 Moss Census) to Archibald McLaren. The former tenant is given as John Stewart which matches with Duncan's late father (or may be a coincidence). The fact that they are living as sub-tenants matches the description in Stewarts of the South that Duncan had "reduced himself and his family." This Duncan on Robertson Lane has the following children:
1. John Stewart, b ABT 1794, d 1796
2. James Stewart, b ABT 1796, d 1797
3. Margaret Stewart, b ABT 1799
4. Alexander Stewart, b ABT 1801
5. James Stewart, b ABT 1804
6. John Stewart, b ABT 1806
7. Donald Stewart, b ABT 1809
8. Mary Stewart, b abt 1811, d 1812
9. Isabell Stewart, b abt 1813, d 1813

This is a perfect match for the following family:
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Duncan STEWART and Janet STEWART in Auchleskine and Stronvar, m. 7 DEC 1793 in Balquhidder and 10 DEC 1793 in Callander parish (Duncan from Balquhidder parish and Janet from Callander parish).
1. John STEWART, bap. 14 NOV 1794 in Auchleskine
2. James STEWART, bap. 29 APR 1796 in Auchleskine
3. Margaret STEWART, bap. 16 FEB 1798 in Auchleskine
4. Alexander STEWART, bap. 10 DEC 1799 in Auchleskine
5. James STEWART, bap. 6 MAR 1803 in Auchleskine
6. John STEWART, bap. 14 MAR 1805 in Auchleskine
7. Donald STEWART, bap. 1 MAR 1808 in Balnluig of Stronvar
(I haven't chased down the Kincardine births for the last two children yet.)


And it's no surprise that we find Duncan residing in Auchleskine, the same place his father was a tacksman, before moving to the moss ca 1809 which, again, matches perfectly with the account given in the Moss Census.

I haven't eliminated the other four Moss contenders yet to further support this match, but there are too many pieces fitting too nicely together here for us to be on the wrong track.

More to come, but I think that will have to do for tonight.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think I want to ammend my comment above. I'm having doubts that the Duncan Stewart who married Jean Campbell is Duncan Og. Their children appear to be about ten years too late to match and the order doesn't fit (assuming Stewarts of the South is accurate).

Duncan Og's son James Stewart married in 1767 to Janet McDonald. Therefore I'd estimate his birth as ca. 1740.

After working through the accounting of James' brother, John "Iain McDonnachaidh" Stewart, I am convinced that I have correctly identified him and his son above. This would mean that John was married in 1758, so I would estimate a birth for him as ca. 1730.

If Stewarts of the South is to be trusted then Duncan' Og's first son, Duncan, would have to be older than ca. 1730, say about 1725ish.

These dates are too early to fit with Duncan STEUART and Jean/Janet CAMPBELL in Kirktown who had:
1. Alexander STEUART, bap. 24 FEB 1743 in Kirktown of Balquhidder (mother given as Jean Campbell)
2. John STEUART, bap. 6 APR 1746 in Kirktown (mother given as Jean Campbell)
3. Duncan STEUART, bap. 2 JUN 1754 in Kirktown (mother given as Janet Campbell though IGI gives "Jean")
4. Jean STEWART, bap. 11 AUG 1756 in Kirktown (mother given as Jean Campbell)

However, the following family has some promise. Though I think there's a good chance that there are two families conflated here:

Duncan STEUART and Margaret STEUART in Dalanlaggan. ("Rob~ tenant in Glenbucke" is inserted above Janet's second entry. Dallanlaggan is recorded in one entry as being also known as Bailliemor). m. 17 JAN 1721 in Balquhidder (both in this parish). A same named couple were living in Kirktown and Stronvar Mor at the same time.
1. John STEUART, bap. 3 FEB 1721 in Dallanlaggan. (Mother shown only as "Steuart".)
2. Issobell STEUART, bap. 14 APR 1723 in Dallanlaggan. (Mother shown only as "Steuart".)
3. Janet STEUART, bap. 13 or 14 MAY 1725 in Dallanlaggan (double entered). (Mother shown only as "Steuart".)
4. John STEUART, bap. 8 OCT 1725 in Dallanlaggan. (Mother shown only as "Steuart". Date is correct.)
5. Unknown STEUART, bap. 5 JAN 1729 in Dallanlaggan. (Mother shown as "Mart. Steuart".)
6. Mary STEUART, bap. 18 OCT 1730 in Dallanlaggan. (Mother shown as "Mart. Steuart".)
7. James STEUART, bap. 31 MAY 1732 in Dallanlaggan. (Mother shown only as "Steuart".)
8. Jean STEUART, bap. 12 AUG 1735 in "Dallanlaggan called the Bailliemor". (Mother shown only as "Steuart".)
9. Alexander STEUART, bap. 14 OCT or DEC 1737 in Dallanlaggan. (Double entered as "Alastir" on 14 DEC 1737, the latter date is clearer and preferred. Mother shown only as "Steuart".)
10. Margaret STEUART, bap. 9 or 10 JUL 1739 in Dallanlaggan. (Mother shown only as "Steuart".)

I can find no contemporary entry for a Duncan son of Duncan.


Now, as to the question of where this branch grafts into Glenbuckie, that's a tough question. Since they are one of the last branches listed that would lead me to conclude that they branch off very early.

Branch VIII is said to descend from an earlier illegitimate branch which could easily descend from one of the eleven illegitimate sons of Patrick Stewart, 2nd of Glenbuckie. If so (and that's a big IF) then given that Branch IX should be junior to Branch VIII, then Branch IX should likely descend from higher up the tree. That would mean either an elder illegitimate son of Patrick Stewart, 2nd of Glenbuckie, or an unknown son of John Stewart, 1st of Glenbuckie, which seems less likely. All of this is merely conjecture at this point and the truth is we really don't know where these later branches graft onto the Glenbuckie trunk. But I think my tentative preference at this point would be one of the illegitimate sons of Patrick II.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:37 am    Post subject: Branch IX of Glenbuckie Stewarts Reply with quote

Thank you Belinda and Ryk for your warm welcome to the Stewarts of Balquhidder Discussion Group! After several decades of impasse, it's exciting to finally have a break through on my Stewart ancestry!!

The only reference that I had to my ancestor Angus' Scottish origins were from Hugh McColl's 1904 publication "Some Sketches of The Early Highland Pioneers of the County of Middlesex" that if you'll kindly indulge me, I'll quote:

"Angus Stewart b. in Perthshire, 1780; came to Quebec 1828 to Mosa 1835; settled on lot 3 Longwood's Road; d. at 77; c. James d., Duncan, Mrs. Alex. Graham, Lobo; Duncan on homestead till 1897, and now on lot 10, conc. 1, aged 77."

I also located a copy of Angus' will that was deposited in the Land Registry Office in nearby Glencoe that provided me with the names of the other children. My ancestor James would receive $ 500, his six sisters each were to receive $ 100, while Duncan would inherit the homestead. The third brother, John, must have been the "black sheep" of the family, as he would only inherit one dollar!

Thank you Ryk for such rapid and detailed analysis of my introduction. Amazing! With regards to Branch IX's patriarch, Duncan Og Stewart, I also have made a tentative conclusion that the Duncan Steuart, who married a Margaret Steuart in 1721, is probably our elusive Duncan Og. It's unfortunate that there doesn't appear to be a record of a son Duncan in this family group, but strangely two Johns. I know that it was customary amongst the Irish that should a child die, the parents would often name the next child after the deceased. Perhaps the Scots had a similar custom and this would explain the two sons named John? Or, Duncan Og may have been married previously? So many questions to be answered!

I was able to match the names in Angus Stewart's 1857 will with the birth/baptismal records located in the Mormon I.G.I.. I'll transcribe the details of Angus Stewart and Catherine McKerracher's children. I'll also provide you with my line of descent from this couple, if you'll kindly bear with me:

I. Angus Stewart and Catherine McKerracher Family:

Angus Stewart b. 21 Mar 1779 in Callander, Perthshire, Scotland

m. 15 Jan 1809 in Kincardine By Doune, Perthshire, Scotland

Catherine McKerracher b. 07 Jul 1787 in Perthshire, Scotland

Children:

1. Mary Stewart b. 16 Jul 1809 in Kirkland, Kincardine By Doune, Perthshire, Scotland

2. Jannet Stewart b. 20 Jan 1811 in Port of Menteith, Perthshire, Scotland

3. James Stewart (my gr.gr.gr. grandfather) b.31 Dec 1812 in Port of Menteith, Perthshire, Scotland; d. 13 Apr 1882 in Mosa Twp., Middlesex Co., Ontario, Canada

m. 30 Aug 1848 in Mosa Twp., Middlesex Co., Ontario, Canada

Margery McKercher (McArger)

4. Margaret Stewart b. 11 Mar 1815 in Port of Menteith, Perthshire, Scotland

5. Catherine Stewart b. 10 Jul 1817 in Port of Menteith, Perthshire, Scotland

m. 02 Feb 1836 in Southwold, Elgin Co., Ontario, Canada

John Campbell

6. Anna Stewart b. 30 Jul 1819 in Port of Menteith, Perthshire, Scotland

m. 24 Nov 1836 in Southwold, Elgin Co., Ontario, Canada

Alexander Graham

7. John Stewart b. 08 Jun 1821 in Port of Menteith, Perthshire, Scotland; d. 01 Apr 1859 in Mosa Twp., Middlesex Co., Ontario, Canada

8. Jean Stewart b. 22 Jan 1825 in Port of Menteith, Perthshire, Scotland

9. Duncan Stuart b. 01 Oct 1827, probably in Port of Menteith, Perthshire, Scotland; d. 28 May 1907 in Mosa Twp., Middlesex Co., Ontario, Canada

m. 1st. 04 Mar 1858 in Mosa Twp., Middlesex Co., Ontario

Mary McRae d/o Alexander and E. McRae

m. 2nd. abt 1865 in Mosa Twp., Middlesex Co., Ontario

Sarah Ann Siddle b. 28 Feb 1838
d. 05 Jan 1912 in Mosa Twp.

II. James Stewart and Margery McKercher Family:

Children:

1. Duncan Stewart b. 10 Jul 1849 in Mosa Twp., Middlesex Co., Ontario, Canada; d. 24 May 1851 in Mosa Twp., Middlesex Co., Ontario, Canada

2. Catherine Stewart b. abt 1850 in Mosa Twp., Middlesex Co., Ontario, Canada

3. Margery Stewart b. Jul 1853 in Mosa Twp., Middlesex Co., Ontario; d. 22 Apr 1875 in Mosa Twp., Middlesex Co., Ontario

4. Angus John Stewart (my gr.gr. grandfather) b. 20 Jun 1855 in Mosa Twp., Middlesex Co., Ontario, Canada; d. 06 Jan 1930 in Alvinston, Euphemia Twp., Lambton Co., Ontario, Canada

m. 03 Dec 1879 in Mosa Twp., Middlesex Co., Ontario, Canada

Jane (Jennie) Innes b. 22 Nov 1856 in Lossiemouth, Morayshire, Scotland

5. Isabella J. Stewart b. abt 1858 in Mosa Twp., Middlesex Co., Ontario, Canada

6. William J. Stewart b. 17 Oct 1860 in Mosa Twp., Middlesex Co., Ontario, Canada; d. 09 Aug 1861 in Mosa Twp., Middlesex Co., Ontario, Canada

7. Maryanne Stewart b. abt 1863 in Mosa Twp., Middlesex Co., Ontario, Canada

8. Margaret Stewart b. Dec 1864 in Mosa Twp., Middlesex Co., Ontario, Canada; d. 11 Jun 1865 in Mosa Twp., Middlesex Co., Ontario, Canada

9. Jannet Stewart b. abt 1869 in Mosa Twp., Middlesex Co., Ontario, Canada

10. Alexander Stewart b. 06 Aug 1870 in Mosa Twp., Middlesex Co., Ontario, Canada; d. 1966 in Mosa Twp., Middlesex Co. Ontario

m. (date and place unknown)

Mary Ann ?


III. Angus John Stewart and Jane Innes Family

1. Robert James Stewart b. 25 Jul 1881 in Mosa Twp., Middlesex Co., Ontario, Canada

m. 09 Feb 1902 in Dawn Twp., Lambton Co., Ontario, Canada

Minnie Delilah Powell b. Dec 1883

2. Margaret Jane Stewart (my gr. grandmother) b. 24 May 1882 in Mosa Twp., Middlesex Co., Ontario, Canada; d. 15 May 1960 in Port Arthur, Thunder Bay District, Ontario, Canada

m. 11 Sep 1911 in Oil Springs, Lambton. Co, Ontario, Canada

Daniel Barrett b. 11 Feb 1883 in Brooke twp., Lambton Co., Ontario, Canada; d. 28 Dec 1932 in Port Arthur, Thunder Bay District, Ontario, Canada

3. Angus Stewart b. 06 Nov 1885 in Mosa Twp., Middlesex Co., Ontario, Canada; d. 10 Apr 1886 in Mosa Twp., Middlesex Co., Ontario, Canada

4. Blanche Stewart b. May 1896; d. ? (adopted)


IV. Daniel Barrett and Margaret Jane Stewart Family:

1. Mary Pearl Barrett b. 19 Apr 1902 in Port Arthur, Thunder Bay District, Ontario, Canada; d. 29 Apr 1951 in Port Arthur, Thunder Bay District, Ontario, Canada

m. 1921 in Duluth, Minnesota, U.S.A.

David Leroy Hagar

2. Gertrude Elizabeth Barrett (my grandmother) b. 25 Apr 1904 in Edy's Mills, Dawn Twp., Lambton Co., Ontario, Canada; d. 13 Oct 1979 in Thunder Bay, Thunder Bay District, Ontario, Canada

m. 07 May 1923 in Port Arthur, Thunder Bay District

Kenneth Waldron Boyd b. 02 Aug 1896 in Trenton, Hastings Co., Ontario, Canada; d. 17 Dec 1950 in Port Arthur, Thunder Bay District, Ontario, Canada

3. Beatrice Maude Barrett b. 06 Dec 1906 in Edy's Mills, Dawn Twp., Lambton Co., Ontario, Canada; d. 1976 in Thunder Bay, Thunder Bay District, Ontario, Canada

m. date and place unknown

John Thomas Watts b. Aug 1905 in Port Arthur, Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada; d. 1993 in Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada

4. Innes Barrett b. abt 1910 in Port Arthur, Thunder Bay District, Ontario, Canada; d. 11 May 1969 in Stevens, Thunder Bay District, Ontario, Canada

m. date and place unknown

Alice Lawrence

5. Irene Barrett (twin of Innes) b. abt 1910 in Port Arthur, Thunder Bay District, Ontario, Canada; d. 22 May 1911 in Port Arthur, Thunder Bay District, Ontario

6. Stewart Leroy Barrett b. abt 1920 in Port Arthur, Thunder Bay District, Ontario, Canada; d. 1976 in Thunder Bay, Thunder Bay District, Ontario, Canada

m. date and place unknown

Ruth Anderson b. abt 1927


V. Kenneth Waldron Boyd and Gertrude Elizabeth Barrett Family:

1. Kenneth Richard Boyd b. 02 Aug 1924 in Port Arthur, Thunder Bay District, Ontario; d. 17 Mar 1925 in Port Arthur, Thunder Bay District, Ontario, Canada

2. Joyce Margaret Boyd (my mother) b. 24 Sep 1926 in Port Arthur, Thunder Bay District, Ontario, Canada; d. 29 May 1983 in Terrace Bay, Thunder Bay District, Ontario, Canada

m. 08 Jun 1946 in Grand Marais, Cook Co., Minnesota, U.S.A.

Clarence Joseph Leon Mercier b. 02 Jul 1925 in Port Arthur, Thunder Bay District; d. 20 Feb 2006 in Thunder Bay, Thunder Bay District, Ontario, Canada

Whew! Finished!

I look forward to further comments and your kind assistance in possibly linking my line to a Glenbuckie branch of the Balquhidder Stewarts!

Kind Regards,

Dave Mercier,
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi cousin Dave

Good to meet you. I haven't had a really close look at the Glenbuckie tree yet, but if Ryk's right about the line of Branch IX descending from an illegitimate son of Patrick, 2nd Laird of Glenbucky (and he often is right), that makes us about 15th cousins.

That's pretty distant, but there are probably cross-linkages that we know nothing about that might bring us a bit closer together. My nearest known Glenbuckie Laird was James Stewart, 5th of Glenbuckie, and I think he was my 11X G great grandfather.

I believe I'm the only member of this group with known multiple Stewart lineages, as my ancestral Scottish line is actually Graham, but my Grahams married into at least 3 different Stewart families (Annat and Gartnafuaran as well as Glenbuckie) and of course they are all Ardvorlich descendants, so I tend to stick my nose into most of the mysteries that this forum throws up.

I was interested to see that one of your Canadian Stewarts had married an Alexander Graham. I don't suppose you know anything more about him? Was just wondering if he also originated around the Port of Menteith area in Perthshire, Scotland, though if he did I have more than a few possibilities for his ancestry.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave wrote:
Thank you Belinda and Ryk for your warm welcome to the Stewarts of Balquhidder Discussion Group! After several decades of impasse, it's exciting to finally have a break through on my Stewart ancestry!!


You're most welcome. Trust me, we know the thrill of making the connection to a long and fascinating ancestry such as the Stewarts of Balquhidder. And we get a real joy out of helping other people, such as yourself, make that connection.

There's an awful lot of information on our web site about your newly acquired Stewart ancestors. Take your time reading it as it can be overwhelming. If you have any questions whatsoever please don't hesitate to ask. Please also feel free to make use of the private Members Only forum at the bottom of the main page of the bulletin board. Conversations on that forum are only visible to members of the group and cannot be seen on the net.

Thanks for the quote from McColl's book. That's very helpful. Understanding how you established the connection helps us in determining the reliability of the connection. McColl's reference points you towards Perthshire where Mary's birth in Kirklane on the Moss can be easily identified with her matching parents. That puts you confidentely within the chronological and geographic sphere of Stewarts of the South. And I've outlined my reasons above for believing (again quite confidently) that you have correctly identified your connection to Glenbuckie Branch IX.

I must also express my gratitude to you. The information you shared with us on Angus has allowed us to identify his cousins on the Moss and give us a reliable outline of Branch IX which was previously unaccounted. So we may have helped you find a few hundred years of new ancestors but you have given us the gift of a whole new line which we can now account for.

Dave wrote:
I know that it was customary amongst the Irish that should a child die, the parents would often name the next child after the deceased. Perhaps the Scots had a similar custom and this would explain the two sons named John?


Yes, absolutely so. It was a very common Scottish practice. But I don't think it was actually limited to just the Irish and Scots. I have come across the same practice among (perhaps to a lesser extent) in English families.

Dave wrote:
So many questions to be answered!

Well don't hesitate to ask. We're here to help if we can.

I would caution you to not rush too quickly to conclude that the Duncan Steuart who married Margaret Steuart in 1721 is your Duncan Og. I think it's the best match I can find so far, but I'm not confident enough to be conclusive yet. But I do like this family not just for the chronology and the fact that two of the sons line up, but also for the fact that they were in Dallanlaggan which fits with what we now know of the next generation.

I also made a mistake in my previous posting above. I think the most likely place for this branch to graft onto Glenbuckie would be via one of the YOUNGER illegitimate sons of Patrick Stewart, 2nd of Glenbuckie, not one of the OLDER illegitimate sons. And I assure you that trying to determine the exact relationship between Duncan Og and the main line of Glenbuckie will drive you bananas for a very long time. Just know this much, you can be confident that your Duncan Og Stewart does descend by some means from John Stewart, 1st of Glenbuckie, even if you can't nail down all the intervening generations. And you can be pretty certain that Duncan Og's father was also named Duncan. (Og is Gaelic for "young".)

However, on further reflection, he could also descend from a junior branch of Chuck's Ledcreich Stewarts.

I'm just getting all this new data entered into the database. That may take a day or two. When it's done then I should be able to post an updated report on the Glenbuckie page with the accounting of this branch.

In the meantime, Dave, since your ancestors and their cousins resided for some time on the Blair Drummond Moss, you may be interested to learn more about life on the Moss. We have an article about that here:
http://www.chuckspeed.com/balquhidder/history/The%20Moss%20Lairds.htm

Again, if you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:50 am    Post subject: Branch IX of Glenbuckie Stewarts Reply with quote

Hello Belinda and Ryk!
Words can't adequately explain how thankful I am for your assistance. Having also been bitten by the genealogy bug so many years ago, I can appreciate how excited you no doubt are to be able to fill in the blanks of a previously unassigned branch!

You are 100% correct, Ryk, that searching through all the information contained on your site is rather overwhelming. I'm amazed that you can keep all the lines straight with the same first names appearing over and over, generation after generation, in all the lines. Very confusing at times!

Unless I overlooked an entry, my ancestor Angus' name is the only one I could locate in any of the Stewart branches. I surmise that he was probably named after someone in his mother Janet McDonald's family?

I forgot to mention a few details on Angus Stewart that you might find interesting. Many years ago, I obtained a copy of his petition for land that states that he was first settled in 1830 in Ekfrid Twp. by Col. Thomas Talbot. By 1835, he and his family were in neighbouring Mosa Twp.. On 26 Apr 1836, he purchased from a Lewis Algeo the property on Longwood's Road for the sum of 108 Pounds, 15 Shillings in cash. I had also located this deed in the Land Registry Office in Glencoe.

Ryk, I greatly appreciated the link to the article on the moss-lairds. Wow! What a harsh life they had! Seeing Col. Talbot's name again reminded me that I also have in my library a reprint of Edward Ermatinger's 1859 book, "Life of Colonel Talbot". In this book, the author comments on the hardships endured by these early settlers. If you'll kindly indulge me, I'll quote the passage:

"During the early period of the Talbot Settlement when the country was but little improved, the most of those who found their way into it were emigrants from the United States, and a good many of the settlers from the Niagara District: but in process of time, old countrymen from England, Ireland and Scotland, came in considerable numbers. Among these emigrants, foremost were the many Highland Scotchmen, who purchased their lands from the Canada Company, in the Township of Yarmouth, and others who took up lands in Ekfrid and Mosa. These were among the very poorest class of settlers, and for many years had to work very hard, not only in clearing their land, and raising crops and cattle, to subsist their families; but to obtain money to pay the instalments due on their lands. These poor people, were no doubt inured to hardships and privations in their own native country, and therefore were no strangers to misery. Of this, they had quite enough to contend with in Canada, but after many years, hard struggling, they have made themselves independent, having fine farms scattered throughout the Settlement, and on the occasion of either a wedding or a funeral, old and young, lads and lasses, display no inconsiderable amount of wealth, in horses, carriages, and personal adornments. The old folks speak little but the Gaelic, but the young people are quite as good in English as Gaelic."

I have one question regarding Duncan Og. You're absolutely correct Ryk that I shouldn't conclude that the Duncan Stewart, married to Margaret Stewart, in Dallalagan is our patriarch. I once jumped to conclusions regarding another of my ancestral lines, that at the time seemed perfectly logical. However, I was 100% wrong in my assumptions (I'm sure we've all fallen for a similar situation) and had to spend many hours reconciling my family tree! I learned my lesson to never assume anything....always check sources! But back to my question: I have looked at Malcolm Gray's transcription of baptisms in Comrie Parish, and noted a Duncan Stewart, son of John Stewart and Janet Dewar, who was baptized in 1693. Could these be the parents of Duncan Og? The date fits well, but I can't quite reconcile the mother's name with Duncan and Margaret Stewart's children. However, their second daughter was named Janet. Perhaps?

I'm sorry Belinda that I don't have much to go on regarding Alexander Graham who married Angus and Catherine Stewart's daughter Anna. In Hugh McColl's book on the Highland pioneers of Middlesex County, he mentions a Dugald Graham settling in Lobo Twp. in 1828. The date may be a coincidence, but my Stewart family emigrated to Canada the same year. As emigrants quite often travelled in family and community groups, perhaps he was also from the Port of Menteith. I also have a reprint of the 1878 County Atlas for Middlesex County, and Alexander Graham is located next door to Dugald. They probably were father and son. I had located Alexander and Anna (Stewart) Graham in the 1881 Canadian Census for Lobo Twp.. From this census, Alexander appears to have been born circa 1819. Perhaps their childrens' names will allow you to connect with a Graham family in your database:

Alex. Graham Sr. Married Scottish 62 b. Scotland Farmer Baptist

Anne Graham Married Scottish 61 b. Scotland Baptist

Alex. Graham Jr. Single Scottish 28 b. Ontario Farmer Baptist

Kattie I. Graham Single Scottish 25 b. Ontario Baptist

Ann Graham Single Scottish 23 b. Ontario Baptist

John Graham Single Scottish 21 b. Ontario Farmer Baptist

Bella Graham Single Scottish 15 b. Ontario Baptist


Thanks again for all your help, and I hope you've found my comments interesting. I'll close for now to give my poor brain a rest, as there's so much information to try to digest!

Regards,

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Dave

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I'm amazed that you can keep all the lines straight with the same first names appearing over and over, generation after generation, in all the lines. Very confusing at times!


Yah it is enough to make your head spin after a while, but it's funny, I find the deeper I get into all those names the more I begin to see the patterns in them.

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Unless I overlooked an entry, my ancestor Angus' name is the only one I could locate in any of the Stewart branches. I surmise that he was probably named after someone in his mother Janet McDonald's family?


If he's not the only Angus, then he's certainly one of a very, very few. You're quite right that Angus is not a Balquhidder Stewart forename. It's much more common among the Appin Stewarts. It was also a common name among a branch of McDonalds who lived in Balquhidder which would lead me to believe that his mother Janet belonged to that family despite the fact that she came from Comrie. Since Angus was not the second-born son of James then I would normally conclude that the name Angus probably came from one of Janet's brothers (without having checked for her birth family yet), however it appears that Angus' father did not follow the customary naming patterns for his children which means we'd have to do more digging to be sure.

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Ryk, I greatly appreciated the link to the article on the moss-lairds. Wow! What a harsh life they had!


Yes they did. And thank you for the Talbot article highlighting the harsh realities that they experienced here. They definitely had it very tough. But the harsh reality is that surviving our Canadian winters in little more than a log cabin for the first few years was still preferable to what they'd left behind. At least here they had a chance at owning their own land which they'd never have back home. And most of the Talbot grants (and others in southern Ontario) were for 100 acres which would be a king's estate to a Highlander! Despite their desperate longing for home, I've never heard of one who actually moved back to Scotland!

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Duncan Stewart, son of John Stewart and Janet Dewar, who was baptized in 1693. Could these be the parents of Duncan Og?


I'll have a look at that family, but I'd say it's doubtful. The fact that you're from a Glenbuckie branch and the fact that we have your family living at Dallanlaggan which is in Glen Buckie suggests to me that they probably lived there for many generations. It's unlikely that they'd move east to Comrie and then move back again to Glen Buckie. It's more likely that the records of the earlier generations still elude us or simply don't exist.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have finished uploading the new report on this branch to our Glenbuckie page.

Having looked a little more thoroughly at this family I now see three possible points from which they could descend:
- One of the 11 illegitimate sons of Patrick Stewart, 2nd of Glenbuckie
- Duncan Stewart, son of Patrick Stewart, 1st of Ledcreich
- Duncan Stewart son of Duncan Stewart, 3rd Glenbuckie

I don't think they are likely to be a sub-cadet branch of any of the other branches as I just don't see a spot where such a departure would make sense.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:03 am    Post subject: Update on Descendants of Angus and Catherine Stewart Reply with quote

Hello Ryk:
As a follow-up to my previous posting, I'd like to expand for your database several descendants of Angus Stewart and Catherine McKerracher. Unfortunately, the original Presbyterian Church burned down around 1928 and the church records were sadly lost. The church was located off of Longwood's Road (now Hwy #2) on Mosa Sideroad 8. The adjoining Simpson Cemetary dates from 1860 to 1928. In fact, my gr. grandmother had her birth registered by her uncle Alexander Stewart in 1935, who had the old family bible and was able to attest to her date of birth.

In this old cemetary are the headstones for Catherine (McKerracher) Stewart and son James Stewart. Located nearby is a headstone for an Ann Stewart, wife of Duncan Campbell, who died on 13 May 1899 at the age of 65 years, 5 months. A daughter of Angus and Catherine named Ann had married an Alexander Graham of Lobo Twp., and was still referred to as Ann Graham in the previously mentioned book on the Highland pioneers of Middlesex Co., so this isn't the same individual. I don't know if this Ann is related to our family, but a younger daughter named Jean fits the approximate age. If her name was Jean Ann, we'd possibly have a match.

At Strathburn on Hwy #2, just south of Glencoe, was an old cemetary. In the 1950s, concerned residents had gathered all the surviving headstones and mounted them in a wall in family groups. Angus and Catherine Stewart's son John was buried there, as were several children of James Stewart and Margery McKercher.

In the Oakland cemetary along Hwy #2 are located the graves of Duncan Stewart (Stuart), youngest son of Angus and Catherine, and Duncan's wife Sarah Ann Siddle. This cemetary was originally a part of my ancestor James Stewart's farm.

Duncan Stewart/Stuart and wife Mary McRae had the following children (information from census records):

1. Angus Stuart b. abt 1859 in Mosa Twp.

2. Alexander Stuart b. abt 1861 in Mosa Twp.

3. John Stuart b. Apr. 1862 in Mosa Twp.; d. 15 Oct 1890 in Mosa Twp.

Duncan Stewart/Stuart and Sarah Ann Siddle had the following children (information from census records and tombstones):

4. Elizabeth Stuart b. abt 1867 in Mosa Twp.

5. Mary Stuart b. abt 1869 in Mosa Twp.

6. Rhoda Stuart b. abt 1871 in Mosa Twp.

7. Joseph Mariner Stuart b. 30 Jun 1872 in Mosa; d. 13 Jan 1875 in Mosa Twp.

8. Duncan M. Stuart b. 06 Mar 1874 in Mosa Twp.

9. Agnes Stuart b. 06 Feb 1876 in Mosa Twp.

10. Lidia Stuart (twin of previous) b. 06 Feb 1876 in Mosa Twp.

11. William Stuart b. abt 1878 in Mosa Twp.


Children of my gr. gr. gr. grandparents James Stewart and Margery McKercher are as follows:

1. Duncan Stewart b. 10 Jul 1849 in Mosa Twp.; d. 24 May 1851 in Mosa Twp.

2. Catherine Stewart b. abt 1850 in Mosa Twp.

3. Margery Stewart b. Jul 1853 in Mosa Twp.; d. 22 Apr 1875 in Mosa Twp.

4. Angus John Stewart (my gr. gr. grandfather) b. 20 Jul 1855 in Mosa Twp.; d. 06 Jan 1930 in Alvinston, Euphemia Twp., Lambton Co.

m. 03 Dec 1879 in Mosa Twp.

Jane Innes b. 22 Nov 1856 in Lossiemouth, Morayshire, Scotland; d. 31 Oct 1930 in Alvinston, Euphemia Twp., Lambton Co.

Children: 4.1 Robert James Stewart (1881 - ?)

4.2 Margaret Jane Stewart (1882 - 1960)

4.3 Angus Stewart b. 06 Nov 1885 in Mosa; d. 10 Apr 1886 in Mosa Twp.

4.4 Blanche Stewart b. May 1896; d. ? (adopted)


5. Isabella J. Stewart b. abt 1858 in Mosa Twp.

6. William J. Stewart b. 17 Oct 1860 in Mosa Twp.; d. 09 Aug 1861 in Mosa Twp.

7. Maryanne Stewart b. abt 1863 in Mosa Twp.

8. Margaret Stewart b. Dec 1864 in Mosa Twp.; d. 11 Jun 1865 in Mosa Twp.

9. Jannet Stewart b. abt 1869 in Mosa Twp.

10. Alexander Stewart b. 06 Aug 1870 in Mosa Twp.; d. 1966 in Mosa Twp.


Children of Alexander Stewart (1870 - 1966) above and wife, Mary Ann Weir (1878 - 1964), who married ca. 1895 in Mosa Twp., are as follows:

1. Norah Ann Stewart b. 07 May 1896 in Mosa Twp.

2. Mabel Adelaide Edna Stewart b. 06 Jun 1899 in Mosa Twp.

m. 05 Jun 1918 in Glencoe, Middlesex Co.

William Arthur Telfer s/o John Telfer and Mary Stonehouse

3. Coverdale Alexander Stewart (twin of previous) b. 06 Jun 1899 in Mosa Twp.

m. 18 Jun 1924 in Glencoe, Middlesex Co.

Susie Aneretta Bell d/o Jason Bell and Susie Teach

4. Archibald Stewart b. Jun 1902 in Mosa Twp.

5. Geneva Stewart (daughter) b. 07 Nov 1905

In my previous submission, I'd omitted the descendants of my gr. grandmother Margaret's brother, Robert James Stewart and wife Minnie Delilah Florence Powell, who were married 06 Feb 1902 in Dawn Twp., Lambton Co.. Their descendants are as follows:

1. Jennie May Stewart b. Mar 1903 in Dawn Twp., Lambton Co.

m. 07 Oct 1920 in Petrolia, Lambton Co.

Orville Franklin Adams b. abt 1895 in Euphemia Twp., Lambton Co.

They had the following children:

1.1 Ennis Franklin Adams b. 03 May 1921 in Euphemia Twp.;
d. 05 May 1921 in Euphemia Twp.

1.2 Pauline Adams who married a Robert Kelly

1.3 Orma Adams who married a Frank Anreacchi

1.4 Bernice Adams who married a Harold Coke

2. Violet Innes Stewart b. 26 Feb 1905 at Inwood, Euphemia Twp. Lambton Co.; d. 14 Sep 1982 in Windsor, Ontario

m. 1st. Nelson Swartz ca. 1922 in Brooke Twp., Lambton Co.

They had the following children:

2.1 Nelson G. Swartz

2.2 Pauline Swartz

2.3 Shirley Swartz

m. 2nd. John Gruber

3. William Stewart b. 05 Feb 1907 in Atkin, Dawn Twp., Lambton Co.; d. 06 Feb 1907 in Atkin, Dawn Twp., Lambton Co.

4. Robert Alexander Stewart b. 21 Nov 1907 in Atkin, Dawn Twp., Lambton Co.; d. 22 Nov 1907 in Atkin, Dawn Twp., Lambton Co.

5. Ivan Grant Stewart

m. Evelyn Brunett

Children: 5.1 William Stewart

5.2 Brian Stewart

5.3 Robert Stewart

Regards,

Dave


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